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Ive been an avid reader of therx but first time poster ... and id like to know your opinion on those ddos attacks,
dont they look too damn coordinated and massive to be the work of people without resources ...
i think there is something weird here, this people sound to me like big ... if you know what i mean.
maybe the us government wants to fight bookies underground ??? ... i dont know, its weird.

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[This message was edited by Felo on March 20, 2004 at 12:11 PM.]

[This message was edited by Felo on March 20, 2004 at 12:12 PM.]
 

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I do not believe the attacks are being carried out by the US government. Here is an article from the BBC as you will see the attacks are prevelent in Europe.

Bookies suffer online onslaught
By Mark Ward
BBC News Online technology correspondent

The extent to which British betting websites are being attacked by criminals using the net to bring down a site unless a ransom is paid has been revealed by a BBC News Online investigation.

Working with server monitoring firm Netcraft, BBC News Online has been keeping an eye on the UK's top 20 betting sites since 1 March.
Netcraft monitors website performance by timing how long it takes a specific server or website to respond when sent a packet of data.

It monitors the response times via servers sited in different hosting centres around the world. Servers being monitored are sent query packets every 15 minutes.

Attack pattern

Since the monitoring started, 33 outages have been reported. Only five bookmakers have had no outages over the monitoring period.

Some outages do not last long and occur late at night and are probably connected with site maintenance rather than an attack.


BETTING SITES MONITORED
Capital Sports
Total Bet
Sporting Odds
William Hill
Ladbrokes
Sporting Bet
Coral
Eurobet
Victor Chandler
Blue Square
Betfair
Betdaq
Bet365
Paddy Power
Tote BetXpress
Premier Bet
Bet Direct
Stanley Bet
UK Betting
Betabet
Others, perhaps half of those logged, occur during the day and many show a characteristic pattern of a web server struggling to cope with the amount of requests it is getting.
Sometimes this will be due to heavy traffic when big sports events are on such as the Six Nations and Uefa cup matches.

Occasionally the outages are caused by a Denial of Service attack.

In a DoS attack, a server is deluged with requests for information from thousands of PCs at the same time.

When this happens the response time of the server climbs before it stops reacting once it has been overwhelmed. Soon after, it recovers and the cycle starts again.

Netcraft monitors the website of the Recording Industry Association of America which is suffering a DoS attack by machines infected with the MyDoom.F worm.


Betting sites contacted by BBC News Online when these outages were taking place declined to comment on what was causing the problems.
Mike Prettejohn, president of Netcraft, said: "In the general case, we can't say authoritatively why a site isn't available, just when it isn't available."

He said surges in response times followed by an outage could be the result of a routing problem, bandwidth congestion, or server overload.

Extortion demand

However, this week the response times from the betting sites became much easier to interpret when several sites admitted that they had been targeted by the extortionists.

William Hill, Betdaq, Totalbet and UKBetting all said that they had been attacked or received extortion demands by criminals prior to the start of the Cheltenham Festival on 15 March.

Gambling sites have been targeted because so many of the events they offer odds on are time-limited.

A spokesman for William Hill said the attack started on 11 March and continued into Friday.

"We knew we would be a target at some stage," he said.

"The crux is that we will not give into extortion," he said, "we never have and never will."

The spokesman added that DoS attacks on betting sites by extortionists were a global problem.

Irish bookmaker Paddy Power was also attacked during the Superbowl.

The sites attacked before the Cheltenham festival show the characteristic pattern of increasing response times and then suddenly no response from the server as it gets overwhelmed.


The attacks seem to be well co-ordinated as the servers being targeted are overwhelmed very quickly.
Once attacked the websites of the gambling sites stay offline for hours.

Earlier this week the website of Totalbet was offline from mid-morning on 16 March to early afternoon on the 17th in an outage that had all the signs of a DoS attack.

Fighting back

A spokesman for the Bookmakers Fraud Forum declined the chance to comment as he did not want to give away any information about police investigations into attacks.

A spokeswoman for the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit said: "The NHTCU is well aware of these attacks and has been investigating UK cases since the autumn.

She added: "We are working closely with the UK bookmakers in tracing and tracking down the perpetrators."

She said she could not add any more details because the investigations were active and ongoing.

Rob Pollard, from security firm Arbor Networks, said in many cases bookmakers would struggle to cope with a DoS attack because the connection to their net service provider will be swamped by bad traffic.

"It became clear quite a few years ago that DoS attacks are a service providers problem," he said.

But, he said, tools existed to help net providers spot DoS traffic and stop it causing problems for net users.

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Welcome to the Rx Felo.....

very good question, wish i had the answer for you....its very frustrating for us...I dont really think its the government, they have toomuch on the plate right now to be messing with this....

But these hackers have obviously made some money doing this, or it would have stopped already....The books that paid early on are almost as much to blame as the hackers themselves.....
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What these Russian people don't understand is it's illegal for a public company to pay extortion (up to a 12 year jail term), so there is no fcking way any UK public company is going to pay any of these people any money- so they should stop wasting their time.
 

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Well, i do think this whole ddos thing its getting out of hands on the internet, being a problem on service providers that obviously is not being handled on the right way, now its just the sportsbooks and some other websites that piss some hackers or "script kiddies" and obviously the major portals (yahoo,cnn,lycos etc) which will always be a big test for hackers manhood, but who else is next ???? it is ridiculous that companies have to invest thousands ... and i mean thousands of dollars to protect from this assholes.
its not an issue about "ilegal" sportsbooks being bombarded like some US government people may say, but internet freedom being axed and boott phoocked ...
enough ...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bucsfan67:
Welcome to the Rx Felo.....

very good question, wish i had the answer for you....its very frustrating for us...I dont really think its the government, they have toomuch on the plate right now to be messing with this....

But these hackers have obviously made some money doing this, or it would have stopped already....The books that paid early on are almost as much to blame as the hackers themselves.....
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Yes you are totally right, books that paid should be blamed equally ... they just opened a big door that nobody can close anymore.
 

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For you techie fellows, here is the best detailed analysis on how DDOS perpetrators work.
this guys site was attacked and he was able to get a copy of the bot and analyzed exactly what the bot did and where it was connecting ...

check it out, great info and stuff ...

Gibson Research DDOS attack
 

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I can't see blaming someone for paying if they really stopped the dos attacks. But how can you trust that they wouldn't try again, or more groups try? Perhaps a lot of it is actually serious debt collection disagreements on wagers. This is my theory, but there are many kinds of dos and many individuals. In truth if people are able and willing to do this, then there is always going to be somebody to pay extortion, just like somebody to sell stock, and dilute the shares. Who knows the full reasons why a particular book paid, and opened up a terrible can of worms, except the ones involved themself. Which books in particular has anyone heard, have paid out money for extortion, and did the attacks stop?
 

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