A Case is Made for Barry Bonds being innocent.

Search

New member
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Messages
75,154
Tokens
Is it steroids or sour grapes?
By Ralph Wiley
Page 2 columnist

Let's get it straight from the beginning.

This feeding frenzy, the 'Roid Outrage, expressed, by us, about whether Barry Bonds used performance-enhancing dietary supplements or anabolic testosterone-based steroids, is a case of dry and bitter Sour Grapes. Period.

Why?

Well, I'll tell you why.


The numbers speak for themselves: Bonds is closing in on Ruth and Aaron.

It's not like you can all of a sudden sneak up and have 700 home runs in the big leagues. There is nothing, absolutely nothing on this green earth that you can eat drink, sniff, inject or rub on yourself that can make you hit 700 home runs in the Show. That product exists only in our collective imagination, and if he did drink the spiked Kool-Aid, so to speak, this would include Bonds.


Because if that were the case, in spite of all the "outrage," bottles of the stuff would be getting knocked back by just about everybody. People who are currently "outraged" would not only use it, they'd have their kids on it.

That's how much baseball, and baseball myth, and money, mean to us.

Sour grapes or genuine concern? How would you describe the media's handling of Barry Bonds? Cast your vote, SportsNation!

But you know and I know, deep down inside, there is no such product.

We also know Barry Bonds has 658 home runs. And counting.

The Bonds/steroids issue changed in the last week, with the new San Francisco Chronicle reports that he was sent steroids by Greg Anderson and/or BALCO. There's still a leap from that to him actually taking them, and, if he did, for how protracted a period.

So is that really what all this 'Roid Outrage is about?

Bonds' Gift
Steroids don't help you hit a curveball or determine what pitch is coming next.

So, where does Barry Bonds' genius at the plate come from? In a Sept. 21, 2001, article in ESPN The Magazine, Bonds explained the art of hitting and how his instincts were helping him track down Big Mac's single-season record.


I think so. Want to look in a mirror and see? Let's.


Let's start with Syd Thrift, former general manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates when Bonds first came up. Sixteen years ago I went to do a story for Sports Illustrated on Thrift, and on the success of the young Buccos, who were doing well in spite of a low payroll, with players like catcher Spanky Lavalliere, second baseman Jose Lind, outfielder Slick Van Slyke and infielder Bobby Bonilla -- all of whom, it should be noted, are no longer player big-league baseball, which flies in the face of the theory that whatever Bonds has accomplished is chemically-induced. Don't steroids eventually break you down and cause terrible physical problems, rip the tendon from bone and swell organs up and cause muscles to screw and malfunction rather than extend and contract as they do naturally?


But isn't Barry Bonds is out there every year, year after year, performing at the highest level? Where's Jose Canseco? Where is Ken Caminiti? Where is Brady Anderson? Where is Mark McGwire? Isn't that strange, for a man abusing even so much as food, or alcohol, or tobacco, or illegal pharmaceuticals, or certain other alkaloids, to have such longevity? Is Barry Bonds, by all accounts an egotistical sort, secretly sneaking around washing down monster steroids with water from the Fountain of Youth?




Now back then I didn't know Barry Bonds from the man in the moon. It was Thrift, notorious for poor-mouthing the talent, who keep alluding to Bonds: if Bonds did this he'd be better than Rickey Henderson; if Bonds did that he'd be better than Reggie Jackson; if Bonds did the other he might outhit Willie Mays. Thrift kept coming back to Bonds so much, I began watching him.

I watched his performance closely over the next 15 years, as he won six NL MVPs -- six! -- and p.o.'ed a lot of people in the process.


Now I'm supposed to think he swallowed something that did that for him? Give me a break. This frenzy, this 'Roid Outrage -- and that would include investigations and any political currency shrewdly gained by the current crop of politicans -- seems to me to be rather curiously timed to Barry Bonds being on the cusp of breaking the home-run records of the most iconic figure(s) in all of American baseball history. Really, though, wouldn't you agree, it's mostly all about him passing Babe Ruth, the mighty Babe, and then, oh-by-the-way, Hank Aaron? Isn't it about Barry Bonds breaking those records by "cheating"? Isn't it about fair play, and being "clean," and the "purity" of the game? Isn't it about whether Bonds' records are now "tainted"? Isn't it?

Well, then, let me suggest this to you, and it doesn't matter if what I say now causes such outrage in your heart that you go Romo on me, want to throw your laptop and break my left orbital socket with it. Might be a good idea, as far as you're concerned, but it won't change the truth of it.

Ruth's records are tainted. Aaron's records are tainted.. They were each amassed by human beings performing in imperfect human systems. So of course they're tainted. But I do not blame Babe Ruth, hold it against him, that his records were amassed in a league that prohibited the participation of much of the skilled labor force, the black and the brown, the Latin American or the Asian, the African-Americans from the same land of origin.

I can't hold that against Babe Ruth's records, and I'm pretty sure you can't either. That wasn't his fault. I mean, was he supposed to hold a bus boycott or something? Wasn't his fault the game was not pure. I can't really blame Babe Ruth if his prodigious and voracious appetites for food and alcohol and sex cost him another 86 home runs, which he probably would've hit had he trained harder and taken better care of himself. These are the variables of any given human life. The book says he hit 714 in the big leagues. I can only go by that. For that is the nature of baseball. It is a game that relies on the Book of Numbers, not personal lifestyle choices, to define its champions. All of a sudden, all the pure-number guys, the sabermetricians, are just like everybody else, going off emotion, feel -- they plain don't like Barry Bonds.


How many homers would the Babe have hit if he'd stayed in shape -- or played against African-Americans?

If there was a "pure" era, it was the era between 1947 and, say, 1980, when performance-enhancing drugs became prevalent. That was the era occuring after Jackie Robinson opened up the game, the era of Mantle, Mays, Aaron and Clemente, and to some degree, Barry Bonds' father, Bobby. We all know how Mantle and Bobby Bonds badly damaged their careers with alcohol. We cluck and say what a shame it was -- we do in Mantle's case, anyway. But the book on Mantle says 536 home runs. It is what it is. Aaron says 755, although Aaron played in a stadium called the Launching Pad and hit the last 22 home runs as a DH.

Now we are definitely in an era of performance-enhancing drugs; no need for any of us to be on any high horse about it. Without Toprol or Lotrel, anti- high-blood pressure drugs, or especially Nexium, I'm sure I'd be curled up in a ball somewhere. Do you want to get into all the performance enhancers you take? And is not all of your work still valid? Or, not? Am I supposed to believe nobody actually uses Cialis or Levitra or Viagra, that the companies making them are going broke? Why is it when NFL football players are shot up in their ankles and calves and knees and rib cages and shoulders and necks with pain-killers to numb themselves and then go out and sacrifice their damaged limbs so they can perform for us, we have no outrage over that?

Why is that not "cheating"?

No, something else is happening here.


For some, this is simply an attempt to negate the accomplishments of Barry Bonds. I tend to agree with Bobby Valentine -- I've seen Bonds do things no other human being can do, just as Ruth and Ted Williams and Mantle and Mays and Aaron did things no other human being can do. Muscles don't play baseball. Hands and eyes play baseball. Longevity books it.


Great merit: Six MVPs and ... 756 home runs?

So Barry Bonds remorselessly and relentless marches on, beyond the 660 home runs of Willie Mays, on past the 714 home runs of Babe Ruth, and finally, by the 755 home runs of Henry Aaron. Barry Bonds will become the greatest home-run hitter in baseball history.

And apparently, that's what outrages many people, deep down inside.

It has nothing to do with any steroids. Please. Oh please.

A long time ago I wrote a funny little book called "Why Black People Tend To Shout." Now, if you hear that title and you don't laugh -- then you need to read that book! It is a humorous book. I was taught by the master, Mr. Mark Twain, that humor was the great leveler, that against the power of laughter, nothing can stand. Well, this 'Roid Outrage is funny to me.

What Barry Bonds has done is show great merit in the game. Unfortunately, when you are what is called "black," that can be inconvenient; often when you show merit, the rules on merit are changed to make them more obtuse.

When Aaron was approaching Ruth's home-run record in the early 1970s, all the stories were about how he had to endure all this racist hate mail and kidnapping threats against his daughter -- how he had to endure against the real protagonist, the Status Quo. It wasn't about how great a htter he was.

I'd say that's the part that's cheating. I'd say Aaron got cheated.

It's all fine and good to make up myths about so many events, athletic ones included, that don't contain any African-Americans, and I don't have to list them all here, and in fact don't have time, but sometimes I get the feeling some sports fans would like it better if all of sports history was rather like an episode of "Friends." Fine, when it comes to making movies, and giving out awards, and waxing nostalgic. But it seems to me when a man spends 20 years showing merit, in reality, not fiction, he ought to able to eat his grapes without people saying how sour they are, what a cheater he is, how impure his records are, how what he's doing doesn't count in the grand scheme.

No? That's exactly where he does count.

We don't judge Barry Bonds, friends.

I do fear we only judge ourselves.


Ralph Wiley has written articles for Sports Illustrated, Premiere, GQ, and National Geographic, and many national newspapers. He was one of the original NFL Insiders on NBC. His many books include "Serenity, A Boxing Memoir," "Why Black People Tend To Shout," "By Any Means Necessary: The Trials and Tribulations of the Making of Malcolm X" with Spike Lee, "Dark Witness," "Best Seat in the House" with Spike Lee, "Born to Play" with Eric Davis, and "Growing Up King" with Dexter Scott King and the children of Martin Luther King Jr. He contributes to many ESPN productions, and bats cleanup on a weekly basis for Page 2.
 

in your heart, you know i'm right
Joined
Mar 21, 2002
Messages
14,785
Tokens
complete nonsense. "steroids don't help you hit a curveball..." THATS NOT THE POINT!

bottom line is he cheated. some of his fly-outs became home runs because of performance enhancing substances.

to say that steriods don't help you hit a curve ball or "babe ruth didn't face black pitchers" is completely skirting the issue and totally transparent.

cleary, bonds is a great player with unbelievable talent. but, he has cheated and his records should have an asterisk.

as a side note, for him to play the race card like he did the last time he talked about this issue is disgraceful and embarrassing.
 

Banned
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
80,046
Tokens
I'll never recognize any of them...To me Roger Maris is the single season Champ...



I'm waiting for the final excuse to come up


"I did not know I was taking Steroids" thats about the only excuse left!
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
4,477
Tokens
Ralph Wiley is a bigoted race hater. I heard him say Babe Ruths HR record should not count because he played in a whites only league.
 

New member
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Messages
75,154
Tokens
BALCO
Bonds Reaction
Former teammates tee off
John Shea, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, March 4, 2004






Wednesday was calmer for Barry Bonds, one day after The Chronicle reported that he and five other ballplayers allegedly had received steroids from his personal trainer, Greg Anderson. At one point in the Giants' workout at Scottsdale, Ariz., Bonds grabbed a reporter's camera and snapped a picture of another reporter.

Comments surfacing elsewhere, however, were anything but calm.

"Do I think he has (used steroids)? Yes, I do," former teammate Jeff Brantley said on ESPN's "SportsCenter."

Brantley, a commentator for the network, said he didn't think Bonds was on steroids in 1993, their only season together, and that Bonds started taking them to more quickly heal from knee surgery, presumably the arthroscopic procedure Bonds had Oct. 1, 1999.

"He had to get back in a hurry, and I think he was using that to get his knee back together," Brantley said. "I don't think it was something that he tried to make himself any bigger or make himself any better, but I think he just used it to heal himself and his knee.

"Once you start doing that and you see the effects of that, it just kind of starts spinning out of control."

Brantley, adding any steroid use by Bonds would "discredit what he's done, " was the latest former teammate to suggest Bonds has used illegal performance- enhancing drugs. Andy Van Slyke, who played with Bonds in Pittsburgh, told Sporting News radio on Tuesday that Bonds "unequivocally" used steroids, though he provided no evidence.

Wednesday, in an interview with KNBR's Rick Barry, Van Slyke admitted the evidence is circumstantial and mentioned Bonds' increased weight and what he perceives as increased head size and the escalated numbers he has produced in his late 30s.

"I believe that he did (use steroids)," Van Slyke said. "I don't need a murder weapon as a prosecutor to prosecute somebody for murder. I don't need the gun. I have other circumstantial evidence that this is the person who committed the murder. As a person who sits on a jury, you have to come to a conclusion whether someone's guilty or not. I believe Barry's guilty."

Although Van Slyke told the radio station his relationship with Bonds was fine in Pittsburgh, it wasn't. They were jealous of each other and got into a clubhouse fight after a 1988 game. Also, Bonds was upset he didn't receive a long-term contract while Van Slyke did. He called Van Slyke, who was more popular to Pirates fans, the "Great White Hope" and "Mr. Pittsburgh." Van Slyke didn't appreciate the fact he was the inferior player.

Wednesday, Van Slyke brought Atlanta's Julio Franco's name into the steroid mix, saying, "Julio Franco is 46 years old. I've got to believe he's on it."

He also referred to Giants owner Peter Magowan: "If I'm the owner of the San Francisco Giants ... I would bury my head in the sand," Van Slyke said. "I think everyone has buried his head in the sand over this."

While Bonds' stretching trainer Harvey Shields was a no-show one day after being sent away by the Giants, the Yankees said Jason Giambi's personal trainer, Bob Alejo, can no longer travel on team charters or oversee Giambi's workouts in major-league parks.

Meantime, Major League Baseball might try to force steroid-users into further testing, invoking the "reasonable cause" provision in the labor agreement. Approval would be required by baseball's Health Policy Advisory Committee, which includes two members of the union and two from MLB. A fifth member would be summoned to break a tie. An industry source said the testing wouldn't begin without clear evidence that a player was a user
 

in your heart, you know i'm right
Joined
Mar 21, 2002
Messages
14,785
Tokens
they should test everyone and make the results public. that would clean this mess up.

of course, no way in hell that would ever happen.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
22
Tokens
If I'm Barry Bonds, and I know in my heart I haven't taken steroids, I'm going to someone independently and I'm getting tested....to prove to everyone I'm clean...I don't hide behind the union or denials that mean nothing; I go and get tested by more than one source and I PROVE to everyone I'm telling the truth..that's what anyone would do if they had nothing to hide. Obviously he's either a masochist or guilty because he hasn't done what anyone would do IF THEY HAD NOTHING TO HIDE.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
807
Tokens
The reason Bonds head is so big right now is he took human growth hormone. HGH is not a steroid. When mixed/stacked with steroids they will make you huge. A side effect of HGH use is a "giant head" which he does have. HGH is what allowed him to heal so quickly after surgery. HGH is incredible stuff for joints and tissue. HGH right now is undetectable in testing because your body makes it as well.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
240
Tokens
Nothing annoys me more than Bonds and his supporters trying to make this a racial issue.
icon_mad.gif
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,000
Tokens
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pja101:
Nothing annoys me more than Bonds and his supporters trying to make this a racial issue.
icon_mad.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could not agree more. It's very sad but that is the card that is played.
 

New member
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Messages
75,154
Tokens
Peterpag makes an excellent point. Why not get tested privately if you have nothing to hide? Who would'nt take a lie detecter test to prove they were innocent of some accusation, if in fact that person was indeed innocent. Makes a lot of sense imho.


wil.
 

New member
Joined
Dec 20, 2002
Messages
3,291
Tokens
Wiley is intelligent and has humor on tv spots, yet has made his career take a turn for the trivial, with his familiar takes of recent years.

The past decade he's become a big apologist for bad behavior by athletes & their often poor choices..and usually aimed in defense of the black athlete a majority of the time.

Wiley doesn't realize that he and the media create the Bonds angle for hype, and that the average baseball purist is as concerned by McGwire, Canseco, & Caminiti juicing, as they are by his hero.

Can't wait for his piece on OJ & Jayson Williams!

[This message was edited by Horseshoe on March 06, 2004 at 02:59 AM.]
 
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
1,026
Tokens
They had some McGwire USC footage on yesterday. No way this guy got as big as he did without medical help, barely can recognize the guy.
 

in your heart, you know i'm right
Joined
Mar 21, 2002
Messages
14,785
Tokens
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Horseshoe:
The past decade he's become a big apologist for bad behavior by athletes & their often poor choices..and usually aimed in defense of the black athlete a majority of the time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is exactly the problem. what ralph (and others like jesse jackson and al sharpton) does not realize is that when they champion a cause that doesn't stand on its own merit purely for reasons related to race, it does not help their cause...it hurts it.

i am not a racist but i grew up in a blue-collar section of chicago where a lot of people have racist ideas. when they see black people coming out defending bonds, not saying things like "he is innocent until proven guilty" but rather "steriods don't help you hit a curve ball" or "are you gonnna eliminate babe ruths records because he didn't face black pitchers", they simply shake their heads and say "see what i mean?".

i gotta tell ya, if i am trying to talk to some white friends who have racist attitudes, it is very hard to defend these type of remarks. in fact, it is impossible. its almost as bad as when so many educated black people cheered when o.j. was acquitted. it just makes no sense to most white people and it creates further division between blacks and whites.
 

RX Senior
Joined
Apr 20, 2002
Messages
47,431
Tokens
1053174822.gif
this is awful journalism. i dont have a problem with the point he is trying to make, but this guy comes off as a complete idiot and a total tool.

".....Because if that were the case, in spite of all the "outrage," bottles of the stuff would be getting knocked back by just about everybody. People who are currently "outraged" would not only use it, they'd have their kids on it....."

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a 7 time Mr. Olympia and a HUGE movie star amoung countless other accomplishments. he is also an admitted user of illegal steriods. and any search on the web would reveal this. I dont see everyone running out in droves to inject themselves with this stuff. and Arnold's popularity easily dwarfs Bonds's.

If we knew for a fact Bonds was on the juice would we really have our "kids on it"? what an imbosolic and irresponsible thing to say. I don't care if he was kidding or not. wow, that gets me angry. the safety of the kids is one of the reasons this is such a big issue.

"....but sometimes I get the feeling some sports fans would like it better if all of sports history was rather like an episode of "Friends."...."

go ahead d**k head, insult your target audience in disguise since you know damn well no one gives a hoot about the carrer HR record except us die hard sports fans. I cant believe this guy has the oddasity to make such an arrogant statement in the era of baseball's rapidly decling popularity. any game that gets a comparable viewership to an episode of friends wont even have Bonds playing in it.

"....Well, this 'Roid Outrage is funny to me....."

are you still going to chuckle if you catch your teenage son using roids improperly, and his toes and fingers are growing abnormally long amoung other irreversable damages? due to his hormone levels being played with too early?. . .this guy is a crack head.

".....But it seems to me when a man spends 20 years showing merit, in reality, not fiction, he ought to able to eat his grapes without people saying how sour they are, what a cheater he is, how impure his records are, how what he's doing doesn't count in the grand scheme....."

thats great writing, idiot. it would make perfect sense if Bonds had been whacking 50-60 home runs every single year. but i dont see that as the case. please, go write some more articles about how you think cheating is o.k.
 

in your heart, you know i'm right
Joined
Mar 21, 2002
Messages
14,785
Tokens
i would love to see one reporter have the stones to ask bonds how his head almost doubled in size over the last five years.
 

New member
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Messages
75,154
Tokens
Orza prepared to flex muscle
As steroid issue rages, Orza downplays provision in CBA
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff, 3/5/2004

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Labor union lawyer Gene Orza yesterday dismissed criticism of baseball's testing program for steroids and in strong terms rejected the possibility that any changes would be made in the program, which is part of baseball's collective bargaining agreement.

"We have an agreement with the clubs," Orza said in a telephone interview yesterday. "There is a basic agreement provision in place. It will be the provision we operate under. There will be no other provision. This is the provision through December 2006. Nothing is going to happen. We're not going to change it."

Orza also downplayed reports that Major League Baseball might invoke a "reasonable cause for testing" provision in the CBA that would allow additional testing of players suspected of steroid use within the last 12 months.

"If the clubs want to invoke that provision and refer a player they believe has used a Schedule 3 steroid in violation of the program, they know how to do that," Orza said. "They can give us the evidence of their beliefs. But if it's newspaper reports, it ain't going to go anywhere.

"The fact you don't know the truth or somebody else is wondering about it is completely irrelevant in our system of government. If Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds took tests tomorrow morning, how many reporters would say, `Oh, sure, they passed those tests, but those tests don't tell us anything about [previous years].' It's a no-win situation for everybody."

Orza was in Newport Beach, Calif., yesterday, attending the World Sports Congress. He said he could not comment on the attempt by the US attorney's office in San Francisco to subpoena the results of steroid testing that Major League Baseball players underwent last season, as part of its investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), a California nutritional supplement laboratory.

"There may be developments in the next couple of days," he said.

Lawyers for the union and for Major League Baseball are in discussions with the government seeking to retain the confidentiality of the tests, and may go to court to have the subpoena quashed.

Earlier this week, the San Francisco Chronicle, citing federal investigators, reported that Giants slugger Bonds, New York Yankees stars Jason Giambi and Sheffield, and three other major league players -- Benito Santiago, Randy Velarde (who retired after the 2002 season), and Marvin Benard -- received steroids from BALCO. Bonds's personal trainer, Greg Anderson, was among four men indicted on steroid conspiracy charges.

The men are charged with conspiring to distribute performance-enhancing drugs, including human growth hormone, and a new synthetic steroid called THG. Federal investigators, according to the Chronicle, say Anderson admitted supplying steroids and human growth hormone to Bonds, who in 2001 set a major league record with 73 home runs.

All four men have pleaded not guilty. Bonds, Sheffield, and Giambi have all publicly denied using steroids. If they are later proven to have lied to the grand jury, they could face perjury or obstruction of justice charges.

The mushrooming scandal has overshadowed spring training camps in Florida and Arizona. Colorado Rockies pitcher Turk Wendell accused Bonds of using steroids, while Bonds's former teammate, Andy Van Slyke, said in a radio interview that Bonds, "without equivocation," used the illegal substances.

Orza complained about "the amazing, truly amazing commentary out there showing such little regard for the presumption of innocence. As I understand what happened at BALCO, the government has a massive investigation under way. It doesn't charge any baseball players, but the baseball players are associated with those charged, so therefore, fans want these guys tested. That's crazy, absolutely crazy."

Several players, including Houston second baseman Jeff Kent, Texas pitcher Kenny Rogers, and Atlanta pitcher John Smoltz, have been critical of the testing program, while commissioner Bud Selig has called for "zero tolerance." Congressman John Sweeney, a New York Republican, recently introduced legislation to bar Androstenedione, the steroid precursor used by former Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire when he became the first player to hit 70 home runs in 1998. Sweeney blamed the union for baseball not having a stricter testing program, calling the union "an obstacle ignoring its own membership."

Orza said he "couldn't care less" about the criticism. "If John Sweeney believes that he's better attuned to our membership, I'll make him a deal, OK? We'll put it to a secret ballot after a 30-day campaign that he can run and I can run, whether they want to remove me or don't want to remove me. If they say yes, I'll step down and he keeps his seat. But if they say no, he loses his seat and I'll keep mine. Anytime he wants to make that bet, I'll make that bet with him."

The reasonable-cause provision allows officials to seek immediate testing at any time if there is evidence a player has used steroids in the previous year. Any reasonable-cause testing would require the approval of baseball's Health Policy Advisory Committee, comprising two union representatives, two MLB officials, and a fifth member, who is appointed in case of a split vote. Orza said the provision has been invoked in numerous instances, never for steroids.

"It is not an obscure provision," he said. "It has always been a provision that allows a club to make an evidentiary showing to the Health Policy Advisory Council [HPAC] of why it believes a player is using a prohibited substance. They can always make that showing. That does not mean that it is going to result in testing. That will be determined by the HPAC. But any club can always refer a player. A club can refer a player to the HPAC for the use of heroin, the use of marijuana, spousal abuse, manic depression, whatever they want to refer them to.

"The fact of the matter is, the drug testing proposal in baseball was negotiated over the course of many, many months . . . Now, because there is heat in the public relations arena -- several players, a couple of coaches have said a few things -- the media want to say, `Gee, maybe there is time for the union to do more than it already has done.' "

That, Orza said emphatically, isn't going to happen.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,108,636
Messages
13,453,136
Members
99,426
Latest member
bodyhealthtechofficia
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com