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Let's not be so fast to judge ROYAL SPORTS based on what a few gamblers have stated in this forum....

Royal called me and said there is a possibility of FRAUD going on and they are awaiting a verdict from NETELLER before paying out...

I don't believe a sports book should cave into threats made by posters on forums who MAY be in cahoots with others and sharing the same IPS, in an attempt to SCAM a sports book...

I am not saying this is definitely the case here, but I am saying there is a POSSIBILITY of FRAUD according to ROYAL SPORTS....

I expect this will be resolved TODAY and when it is, I will have a FINAL announcement to make...

Please understand that ROYAL is just using caution in this matter and some of you have no idea how often scamming and fraud occur...

Thanks,

THE SHRINK
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Let's not be so fast to judge ROYAL SPORTS based on what a few gamblers have stated in this forum....
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Very true shrink. Seems that anyone can come on here with a slow pay claim and everyone wants to jump on the book. Everyone needs to have the patience to let things sort themseleves out before rushing to judgement.
 

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So its a no lose situation for the book. If they can detect fraud when it comes time to payout, then they detect fraud upon signup. Once they start taking wagers they should have to pay. IMO
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AnthonyRichkas:
So its a no lose situation for the book. If they can detect fraud when it comes time to payout, then they detect fraud upon signup. Once they start taking wagers they should have to pay. IMO<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy solution to avoid getting yourself in this scenario...

DON'T DEFRAUD THE BOOKS
 

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i have not heard this answered yet. does neteller need the players permission before devulging players personal info.?
 

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Can someone plase explain something to me.

ROyal aks Neteller to check their records and see if a number of accounts could have been opened by one individual. Neteller agrees, and uses thier own resources to investigate whether this player or player(s) are scammers.

SO here is my question, there are numerous sportsbooks and casinos that have stolen from players. Yet neteller refuses to do anything about it. WHy does neteller always appear willing to assist books, and shut down accounts of those players whom the deem to be scammers. But they do nothing to help players from thier thieving merchants
 

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players who object to neteller using their data to assist third parties should review their current User agreement with neteller along with the terms and conditions to see if there are any violations. If so someone could technically file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all neteller users.

good luck
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by buddyboy:
players who object to neteller using their data to assist third parties should review their current User agreement with neteller along with the terms and conditions to see if there are any violations. If so someone could technically file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all neteller users.

good luck<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Allegedly, someone has looked into filing suit against NT for revealing personal information. Later this evening, I'll try to find the forum post where I read about this and post it here since there seems to be interest.
 

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What I don't get is why Royal is still accepting bets from these players.

I guess we all know why. There goes Royal's case.
 

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The writing has been on the wall for this crap book with soft lines for a while. Their management /ownership is a joke. They no longer are on the Don Best screen are all you idiots so dumb you cannot see the signs?

FACT: You can stay in business a lot longer if you stiff one guy for 25 dimes to pay the bills rather than stiff 25 guys for a dime each and have them cry on the forums and cause a run on the bank.

It does not take a genius to see what has happened here. This velton guy is squarer than a right angle. Look at the plays he posted.

"I just placed 2 more bets putting a decent size of my balance at risk.

Phi+7 4800 to win 3000
Phi over 194 1100 to win 1000"

The guy buys 5 hooks on a total for 10 cents each and plays overs at -110 for a dime he could be playing at -105 at pinnacle. These squares playing big money are absolute $$$$$$ for any book. The guys at Royal must be scratching their heads as to how he can win so much.

Royals plan of not paying him in the hope he loses it all is working as this velton is such a degenerate gambler he is keen to oblige!Unfortuately for Royal everything this guy bets miraculously turns to gold and 24K is now 45K lmfao
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. And now he cries to the forums they must pay him or else there will be a run on the bank.

How long before all you degenerates learn to play at solid books. Take my advice and if you have anything at Royal/ Lay107 then cashout now because once March Madness is done all these shit books will pack up for business.
 

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I believe that Netteller was asked to verify that the 4 or 5 accounts in question are not connected to each other, based on that only Netteller would have knowledge of the personal information. Royal would not be privy to it from my understanding. Basically one of two answers is expected from Netteller.

1. Yes the accounts are all connected.
2. No they are 5 individual accounts.

Also having mediated this, both parties have & are fully aware of the facts, much of which the posters here have no clue of. My only problem with this was allowing the account is question to continue to wager. Anytime there is even an thought that something is wrong an account should be frozen and a line of communication opened between book and player.

Surfboard...I doubt they want action from someone who stiffs a fellow poster.

Truthteller...you really don't know why he continued to play and why Royal took the action, as you weren't party to the conversation.

Fawkin Fabulous...At least have the BALLS to post under your real handle. I always enjoy watching a new poster
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who knows everything about the business. Grow a set and repost under your other handle.

HTRC
 

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"There is a possibility of FRAUD going on and they are awaiting a verdict from NETELLER before paying out..."

THERE IS NO FRAUD, ZERO. ALL THE BETS WERE FAIRLY MADE BY ME AND ROYAL BOOKED THEM.

Initially I was told they were requesting all my documents and last 4 of my SS# for my security - meaning someone else besides the player was tring to pull money out. But after all valid info was supplied, it was clear I was the bettor indeed.

After getting that cleared, now they are trying to determine if I have worked with 4 other accnts who opened before superbowl like I did, but I don't know exactly which accounts they are referring to. The person who referred me lives in another state and makes their own bets, but opened their accnt at a different time, so they can't be suspect. There are a few friends I have in or near my city that are or were players at Royal. I have confirmed with them and found NONE OF THESE ACCOUNTS WERE OPENED AROUND THE SAME TIME AS ME, even these can't be the suspect accnts. So I don't know who else they might be referring to. They refuse to tell me.

Regardless, all my action was fair and done by me only, and never in collusion with anyone else.
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO NOT PAYING MY WINNINGS. THEY GLADLY TOOK MY DEPOSIT AND BOOKED MY BETS. NOW THEY MUST PAY.
 

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velton

i just posted up with Royal due to some contest they are running here.

If they do not pay you Im pulling out and encourage all others to do so as well.

Who the hell cares if there are or are not 4 linked Neteller accounts? Tomorrow they will try to look behind the grassy knoll for something else.

They hoped you would lose some back while they stalled becasue you are a pretty crazy player and it did not work.

Royal you should be better then this.
 

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IMHO, the fact that the investigation begins only when the payout is requested is NON-PROFESSIONAL, of course bookie backers may claim that eyebrows were not raised until the payout was requested, but this is not the players fault...is it? They must due their Due Diligence upon account activation...upon payout request...it is IMHO too late.

velton may or may not be guilty of bonus whoring or circumventuing limits...I have no clue, but I strongly beleive in the presumption of innocence unless PROVEN guilty...

If it is Bonus whoring then he should have all his Cash by now (Minus the bonuses)...If it is Circumventing limits? then how did all the money end up in one account?

The reality of this industry is that the bookmaker holds all the cards...they have the $$$$ & they are not subject to any regulatory agencies...(Except watchdog sites)....

DISCLAIMER: I am not in anyway taking sides in this case as of yet as there is not enough info yet, however, what I am saying is that there is not enough accountability in the industry on behalf of the service providers.....
 

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"If it is Bonus whoring then he should have all his Cash by now (Minus the bonuses)..."

There is no bonus whoring. This is my first accnt at Royal and I accepted a superboewl promo - I believe I got $400 in bonus. I got referred by a person who lives in a different state and played at a different time with Royal.

"If it is Circumventing limits? then how did all the money end up in one account?"

Limits were never circumvented. I played by all their rules and gave fair action. I am sure they knew that too and thus booked all my bets even after the posts started here last week.

Does a scammer give a 20X roll over? I bet big putting all my money at risk ever since I opened with them. I have not worked with any other players in any way to defraud or scam the book.
 

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velton, hope you read my disclaimer...I am just talking generally, not specifically to your case
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Velton, does the expression "A Dime a day keeps the worry away" mean anything to you? Just curious.


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wil...if you are referring to the fact that he should have slowly withdrawn his moneybefore this? I fully agree with you
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...all players should be careful about having 30K in an account wether they are rich or not...

Personally I have limtis for particular books...ie...I am more than comfortable with 5K or more at Pinny...But try to keep my balance at SIA under 1 K...risk/reward analysis
 

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