Gamblers soon can bet $200 at minicasinos in Washington State

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KENNETH P. VOGEL; The News Tribune

The Washington State Gambling Commission voted Thursday to double the maximum bet at minicasinos to $200.

The move was applauded by minicasinos owners, who had sought the change, but it rankled some powerful state lawmakers and might have touched off a turf war between the commission and the Legislature.

"They're usurping the Legislature's authority," said state Sen. Jim Honeyford (R-Sunnyside), chairman of the Senate Commerce & Trade Committee.

He said he'll likely revive dormant legislation to strip the Gambling Commission's power to boost bets and give it to the Legislature as a result of the commission's 4-1 vote Thursday.

For now, Vito Chiechi, a lobbyist for the Olympia-based Recreational Gaming Association, said the increase, which is set to go into effect July 1, "is a good win."

Chiechi's group, which represents non-tribal gambling businesses, petitioned the commission last July to boost the maximum wagers for hands of blackjack and other card games to $300. They said it would help the state's more than 80 house-banked card rooms compete with tribal casinos, which have a $500 per-bet limit and have seen their profits soar in recent years.

Though the boost approved Thursday was less than what Chiechi's group had originally sought, he said in a telephone interview after the vote that "it will help some of the clubs that are struggling a little bit."

It also will hurt families around the state, warned gambling opponents.

"This large-stakes gambling proposal is intended to further prey upon compulsive and problem gamblers," King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng, chairman of Citizens Against Gambling Expansion, wrote in a November letter to the commission.

But Chiechi predicted that only high rollers would be affected by the change, asserting most gamblers don't come anywhere the $100 maximum.

"The little guy is not going to go in and bet $200 - they're going to bet $5 or $7," Chiechi said. The higher limit also won't attract more gamblers or prompt more applications to the gambling commission for licenses to open new minicasinos, Chiechi predicted.

What it will do, said Tim Iszley, who owns Silver Dollar Casinos in Tacoma and elsewhere, is help minicasinos owners struggling to pay overhead and employees' salaries and benefits.

"Really all this does is help us catch up to the cost of inflation," Iszley said.

The bet limits had been set at $100 since soon after the state allowed non-tribal businesses to offer house-banked card games in 1997.

Since then, profits from tribal gambling have eclipsed those of non-tribal gambling. In 2002, tribal gaming operations brought in $700 million in revenue, compared to $440 million by nontribal gaming operators, including those running house-banked card rooms, punch boards and pull tabs and bingo games, according to the Gambling Commission.

Iszley predicted that the higher bet limits won't do much to reduce the advantage held by tribal casinos, like the two in Tacoma owned by the Puyallup Tribe of Indians.

Sen. Margarita Prentice (D-Seattle) who sponsored the bill that stalled in Honeyford's committee, said the tribal casinos aren't the cause of the minicasinos' problems.

"Their real competition is each other," said Prentice. A former nonvoting member of the gambling commission, Prentice last year sponsored a bill to phase out nontribal minicasinos entirely. "Their problem is that there are too many of them," she said.

The Washington Indian Gaming Association, which has been keeping an eye on issue, did not return phone calls Thursday seeking comment on the vote.

Nor did officials from the Gambling Commission. The panel's vice chairman, Alan Parker of Olympia, and many observers had said they expected to table the issue for a third consecutive meeting.

Instead, after some parliamentary wrangling, the commission voted to allow minicasinos to offer $200 bets at one out of every five tables.

Iszley, whose Silver Dollar Tacoma will offer $200 bets at three of its 15 tables, said he expected most of the eligible minicasinos in the state to accept the new maximum bet at a minimum of one table, despite the risk of larger payouts.

"The house is going to have a bigger swing. They're going to have to be better at what they do," Iszley said.

[This message was edited by Dante on February 13, 2004 at 09:09 AM.]
 

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Those are for NON-indian casinos Dante. They have been trying to get there limits raised for years. You can bet like $1000 at the Indian casinos, and the others could not compete.

Btw, I spent hours in the Silver dollar casinos (especially Tacoma) mentioned in the article. Those dollar drinks are always nice...
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OK THANKS CECIL! ILL EDIT THE TITLE... that is even better news
 

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Love the Indian Casinos in Washington.

Actually some good plays there.
 

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Any RX members from Washington State here?
 

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The debate over this is so silly at times. The first changes were the important ones, getting the minicasinos with house-banked games was the first big step, then getting the limits from $25 to $100 was big. The difference between $100 and $200 limits is so tiny, most managers will tell you that players that will come in now for $200 that wouldn't come in for $100 limits could be counted on a hand. The $1000 limits for the tribes gains them almost no extra action because none of the tribes are able to offer the comps or amenities that high rollers like that demand. If you bet more than $200/hand, every casino in Reno will fly you down and put you up in a suite and there are some places in Vegas that will as well. The minicasinos are simply after slots, but it doesn't appear they will get them like the tribes. All these minicasinos popped up because of the expectation that eventually they could offer some sort of machines, but I highly doubt that will ever come to pass. In the meantime expect at least half of these casinos to fold up when they get the message clearly.
 

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Cecil, I see you're in CR now.

Did you get hassled out of WState?

Ever see this?


http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/FAQ/InternetGamblingFAQ.htm

Is online gambling legal in Washington State?
No. State law prohibits the transmission or receipt of any wager or gambling information intended to be used for bookmaking or other unauthorized gambling activity. It is also illegal under federal law, including the Federal Wire Wager Act (18 U.S.C. § 1084 (1994), to operate a betting or wagering business using telephone lines or other“wire communication facility.” Federal prosecutors have successfully prosecuted United States citizens with businesses based offshore under the Wire Wager Act. Mary Jo White, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, has stated publicly that offshore sports betting operators who use the telephones, Internet, or other forms of wire communications to solicit bettors from the United States are acting in violation of federal law, and that her office will continue to monitor and vigorously prosecute offshore sports betting operations that engage in “blatantly illegal activity.”

Although online or Internet gambling is legal in other countries, for example, the Dominion Republic, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, South Africa, Antigua, etc., it is illegal for operators in such countries to accept wagers from people in the United States.

If online gambling is illegal in the United States and Washington State, then why do I see them all over the Internet?
It is not illegal to operate an online or Internet gambling website in countries which permit it and when the people placing those bets are in those countries; it is illegal, however, to solicit bettors from the United States, under the federal Wire Wager Act. Also, people in Washington State who place bets on the Internet can be charged with Professional Gambling in the Third Degree, which is a g**** misdemeanor.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted for online gambling?

Yes. Jay Cohen was convicted in February 2000 for violating the Wire Wager Act in connection with his operation of World Sports Exchange (WSE). Mr. Cohen was sentenced to 21 months in prison and fined $5,000. WSE is a website that operates out of Antigua and that solicited people residing in the United States, to place bets through use of toll-free 800 numbers and WSE’s website. Cohen also placed ads in various United States newspapers and magazines. WSE invited customers from throughout the United States to contact WSE to open a sports betting account; to wire transfer money to WSE to fund that account; and then to bet on sporting events and contests using that account. Also, in March 1998, 21 defendants were charged with violating the Wire Wager Act for their involvement in operating offshore sports books that accepted wagers from people in the United States via the Internet and telephones. Ten of those defendants pled guilty to conspiring to violate the Wire Wager Act and three pled guilty to related misdemeanor charges.

Can I gamble at online casinos?
No, not in Washington State. It is a g**** misdemeanor to knowingly transmit or receive wagers, betting odds and any other gambling information intended to be used in any kind of unauthorized gambling activity, such as bookmaking. It is illegal under RCW 9.46.240, to transmit gambling information by telephone, telegraph, radio, semaphore or any other similar means; it is also illegal to knowingly install or maintain equipment for the transmission or receipt of gambling information.
What will happen to me if I am caught wagering online in Washington State?
You could be charged with violating the law prohibiting the knowing transmission or receipt of gambling information. You could also be charged with Professional Gambling in the First, Second or Third Degree, depending upon the amount of money and the number of people involved. Criminal penalties range from imprisonment of one to ten years, and a fine of between $5,000 to $20,000.
 

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No, I got hassled into CR.
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That just looks like someones poor interpretation of the law. Have you hever heard of anyone being prosecuted? There is another site that has every states laws on internet gambling and doesn't say WA has any problem with it. Thanks for the link!
 

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Yeah, quite a huge change for someone who had lived his whole life in Tacoma. I spent almost a year in the Philippines, and almost two now in CR. I am going home this month though.
Thanks for the links, one thing I will say is that the gambling commission in Washington has been controled by the Horse industry since its inception. Since Lga, and even more now with Emerald, they try to control everything to rebuild the industry. I am not against the horses at all, but lets just make it fair for everyone.
Oh, and I am sorry you got "whacked" in the movie, great character...
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