PanAm is not as good as I thought!!

JimFiestSux · Dec 17, 2003

Hey guys,
I play at 5 different shops, but PanAm has a few different ways of handling action! They don't except any IF wagering which I feel sucks and they have TO MANY CIRCLED GAMES! You can't parlay any circled game! If it wasn't for their Flex card which will be stopped eventually like Milleniums card was, I wouldn't deal with them! Now their website down for 2 days, and nobody answering any of their 800 #'s. What's UP?? DOS attack, poor excuse! A DOS attack on a Tuesday and Wednesday,lol??

newton0038 · Dec 17, 2003

betpanam is probably being held for ransom by either the Panamanian officials or one of the cocaine cartells. Being the first book and no doubt the only money making venture in the country since the Panama Canal went through, they could be wide open for unethical politicians like the bullshit that the Costa Rica government has put on their books since the books were making more money than the gross national product. Hard to get away from the regulated, centuries old books of the U.K and Australia.

marc · Dec 17, 2003

I found that too often, I would enter my password and confirm my bet, only to get a message back that the line had changed. ANd even when I tried to confirm the bet on the new worse line, I would get another message back that the line moved yet again. It was extremely frustrating.

Betpanam · Dec 17, 2003

The website has been under a new type of DOS attack since 4PM Eastern yesterday. We have an attack mitigation team working on it and hope to have it defeated shortly. In the meantime, all of our 800 numbers are fully functional: 800-810-3575 for customer service and 800-469-9970 for wagering.
We have also set up alternate websites for our internet customers. Please call customer service to get the addresses of our backup sites.
By early next year, the Flexcard operations will be totally offshore - processing center and banking will be in Panama. That will take care of any potential issues with having a US based card.
So far Panama has proven to be a far easier place to live and work than Costa Rica. We have had absolutely no problems with the local government. Come join us for our Super Bowl celebration so that we can show how great it really is. As for the Colombian Cartels, they are busy using their money to build malls and office buildings to bother with us.

BetPanAm

mvbski · Dec 17, 2003

BetPanAm,good luck to you dont let these a##hole hackers blackmail you,keep up the great job you do there

newton0038 · Dec 17, 2003

Good to see you still have phone access Panama. Is there any indication as to the source region of where the DOS came from. I have read some have been coming from Russia and Germany.

TheGeneral+ · Dec 17, 2003

Hang in there PanAm.

All the best

Ninja · Dec 17, 2003

What about marc's complaint about the line moving when he's at the confirmation screen? I wouldn't play at places that do that.

shorts · Dec 17, 2003

Thanks for the heads up Marc.I was just about to sign up but after what you posted it is exactly what betjamaica did,screw you on the lines while you confirm your bet

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WildBill · Dec 17, 2003

I don't know of any book I have patronized that didn't at least once in awhile move the number when I was at the confirmation screen. It is a way of life and you have to accept it, just as when I played in Vegas books a lot the number would move away from me when I had cash out and about to complete a bet at the counter. I can't believe anyone would think that it was just a personal conspiracy against them. Not to mention there have been times the number moved favorably for me. If this issue worries you, then stick to the neighborhood bookie.

shorts · Dec 17, 2003

Wild Bill of course lines move and you are stuck with the new# that will always happen but my experience with bet jamaica was they did it to me all the time every time they saw my bet come in,now you can't tell me that this is right.

PanchoSanza · Dec 17, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marc:
I found that too often, I would enter my password and confirm my bet, only to get a message back that the line had changed. ANd even when I tried to confirm the bet on the new worse line, I would get another message back that the line moved yet again. It was extremely frustrating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This seems to happen to me A LOT at panam but to be fair, it has moved in my favour on a few occassions.

WildBill · Dec 17, 2003

As I always say, if you feel they are doing it to you on purpose you go elsewhere. If they cut your limits, go elsewhere. If you don't like the lines they deal, go elsewhere. To come out and imply a book sucks because of this is pointless. If you get the sense they don't want your business, they probably don't and you are advised to go elsewhere.

I just don't get it, people seem to believe they have a God-given right to get the numbers at the amount they desire, but they don't. There are two sides of the equation in this game, I accept that the book can do whatever they want against me and I can do the same, just take my business elsewhere. This move is something any book can do against whoever they want, it is just part of the procedure when you bet on account and the book can know who and how much you want on a team. If you take this too personally then you have to reassess the business or hobby that you are taking part in.

DarrylParsons · Dec 17, 2003

Wildbill,

I respectfully disagree. There is an ethical principle here being violated and it is that a business which is open to the public has certain obligations such as telling the truth, for example. When you advertise that you are offering a line of X you are saying to all actual and potential customers that "my service (of taking the other side of whatever bet you want) is available to everyone at a price of X). If it is not available to ME at the price of X then you are lying in your statement to the public. The only way to correct this is to either offer me price X as well, kick me out completely (which is within their right as it is in any other business) or clearly state that the prices shown are not for everyone, but rather for certain types of players that they choose. Remember that most players think there is one price for everyone at one time. The bookie knows this full well and does all he can to make sure any dual line practice is kept hush hush.

Just imagine the same preferential pricing practice in ANY OTHER BUSINESS and see if your opinion would be the same. And even if your opinion is the same, see if the opinion of the public and the courts would be the same. You can be sure it won't be.

What if ticketmaster knew who you were and charged you a 20% surcharge on top of their usual surcharges, seeing as you're savvy with sports tickets? Would it in be their right to do that? And if you could prove they are singling you out like that do you think you'd have a good chance of winning a suit against them? I do.

Halifax · Dec 17, 2003

I would hazard a guess that marc is referring to moneylines moving, as opposed to being dealt a different number on a pointspread.

Of course the moneylines are going to change rapidly. Why? Because you guys are line shopping and betting what's probably the very best moneyline out there on a particular game.

The problem is, there are a dozen other guys trying to pounce on that same moneyline, and if you're not super quick, you're going to get beat to it.

If instead, it was the pointspread that was constantly changing, that would be cause for concern, and I would probably admit that you're being screwed (except if the number changed during the middle of a steam move).

But if it's a moneyline bet that you're trying to make, and it changes fast, it's totally understandable.

Guest · Dec 17, 2003

I'm gonna have to agree with Marc here...

More than any book I've played at, the line changes upon clicking the confirm button.

Yes, it is only the money (most of the time) that is moving but at a book that is -107, when they go past -110, then that kills the play.

I've since dropped these guys because I HATE the software they're using and the way they lay out their screen....

Well-hell Now I'm missing Law and Order because of this post...lol

LV711

theplaintruth · Dec 17, 2003

No question that panam has a window of time between the time you click on the bet you want till the confirmation screen comes up and you put in your password. In other words they move lines based on which way you bet BEFORE you get your bet in. This has happened to me on more then one occasion including this past weekend.

TheGeneral+ · Dec 17, 2003

Great out. My opinion. Look into as you like.

Ninja · Dec 17, 2003

Shilling only once for them in this thread wasn't enough eh General?

We're still waiting to hear an explanation from Panam.

TheGeneral+ · Dec 17, 2003

Call it shilling if you like, but they got all I need.

PanAm is not as good as I thought!!

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