Will THE SHRINK guarantee my deposit to Skybook?

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Whenever I see one book or another come into this forum with this offer or that offer it continually amazes me all the responses I see from moderators and other respected posters such as:

Wilheim: “Ya gotta love free half points. I'm in.””
Fishhead: Count me in!!



How many posters stop for even 5 seconds to ask the simple question:

"Why would any successful well run sportsbook need to make such lucrative offers in order to get new customers"
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Any well run book with a decent marketing strategy and solid customer base will have a need to resort to extreme measures like this. I say extreme because the simple point of the matter is NO book can make money booking at Team A -3.5 -110 and Team B +4.5 -110.


The math simply does not work out. If this were such a successful strategy market leaders such as CRIS and OLYMPIC would have been doing it for years. Have they? NO. And their chances of offering this kind of deal any time soon? ZERO. Here is the math assuming the game lands on the # 2.5% of the time:


39 (97.5%) times you take in 220 and pay out 210 and make 10 for a total of 390 profit

1 time you take in 220 and payout 200 for a total of -200 profit

So your theoretical hold is $190 for (220 x 40) = $8800 in action or 2.16%

- neteller deposit and payout fees

- all those damn bonuses and reups

- the fact that no book makes the theoretical hold (go ask “The Greek” if he holds the theoretical 4.55% on nba he would be happy to hold half that)

- the fact that all the rx and mw readers you appear to be targeting most aggressively with your marketing strategy are on the whole scammers, bonus whores, angle shooters, and middlers all price shopping so much with pinnacle and other low vig shops you will do well to get any square action at all from these guys.

= basically you will struggle to even break even
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Another illustration of how dumb (or desperate) these guys at skybook are for postup is they are happy to give a free half point on sides but are reluctant to give it on totals. But why is this? Any idiot with half a brain knows giving a half point on sides is far more advantageous to the player than on a total because the variance is much lower on sides.

On a total a half point is worth 5 cents i.e. Under 190 -110 = Under 189.5 -105 . I would like to inform these clowns at Skybook that they are already giving the free half point on totals because where Skybook has Under 190 -110 their sister book IIS already allows me to bet Under 190 -105 anyhow! So why not give me the option of Under 190.5 -110 it's the same thing!
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Based upon this evidence I simply have to pose the question: How are you guys making any money at all?
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My only conclusion can be that you guys are simply trying to attract some postup to keep the cashflow situation reasonable until your next chance at making some profit (next football season as you can hardly call this one a success, can you ;-) ) . And bearing this in mind myself and I am sure some other members of this forums have our reservations at holding large balances with you. We appreciate you are a big book and that the Shrink typically uses his customary phrase “High Rollers with Deep Pockets” to describe your ownership but still where there is smoke there is always some chance of a fire.

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My friends and I are quite happy to give you our action because all these half points (even at $500 a pop) do make a difference to our bottom line at the end of the year, and yours to by the time you have paid our fees on neteller deposits and now even 1 free withdrawal a month plus given us a 10% reup bonus on top. However I can only play with you on the condition that THE SHRINK is still extending his offer to guarantee all postup into RIO/ IIS /SKYBOOK as was open not long ago.

I would appreciate a quick response because all these free 0.5 I am missing already are starting to cost me!
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Regards from the other side of the pond
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Braveheart


[This message was edited by Braveheart on January 17, 2004 at 08:06 PM.]
 

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First of all, yes, the shrink will guarantee your deposit at Skybook. Secondly, you have to ask yourself how long skybook has been in business? thirdly, you should understand that Skybook does not like giving up a free half, but if you ask sharp professional gamblers like Billy Baxter, a free half is no different to a book than allowing a customer to lay 105. when we eliminated point buying, and lowered the free half to only $500.00, it has been a profitable venture. The reason that most books don't do it is because, yes, they will earn less. We at skybook, however would rather give something back to our players and lower our hold by 1.5 % in an effort to retain them as opposed to going after credit agent packages where the agent gets up to 60% of the profits or go after individual credit players that stiff for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Too good to be true at $500.00? Give me a break. Too good to be true is no juice with a 20k limit (Aces gold). Pinnacle is giving players 10k on an nba game at 105. We are doing virtually the same at only $500.00. To us that is a no brainer. We are confident that any intelligent individual here will agree with our perspective. Also, please remember that this is a promotion, and can be terminated at any time. Football free halfs, we are in the for duration. Hoops, we are under no obligation to continue. thanks for your interest, and feel free to discuss skybook with any of the multitude of customers we have at the RX. Ask them how quickly they get paid? Ask them about the customer service? See if you hear a bad word. If so, we wish you the best of luck elsewhere. If not, we look forward to the opportunity to do business with you. Lastly, we always preach for all customers to leave reasonable balances with ALL books. After a big win at skybook please request a payout immediately. We think you will be impressed.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Braveheart:
Whenever I see one book or another come into this forum with this offer or that offer it continually amazes me all the responses I see from moderators and other respected posters such as:

_Wilheim: “Ya gotta love free half points. I'm in.””
Fishhead: Count me in!! _


_How many posters stop for even 5 seconds to ask the simple question:

"Why would any successful well run sportsbook need to make such lucrative offers in order to get new customers"_
shutup.gif


Any well run book with a decent marketing strategy and solid customer base will have a need to resort to extreme measures like this. I say extreme because the simple point of the matter is _NO book can make money booking at Team A -3.5 -110 and Team B +4.5 -110._


The math simply does not work out. If this were such a successful strategy market leaders such as CRIS and OLYMPIC would have been doing it for years. Have they? NO. And their chances of offering this kind of deal any time soon? ZERO. Here is the math assuming the game lands on the # 2.5% of the time:


39 (97.5%) times you take in 220 and pay out 210 and make 10 for a total of 390 profit

1 time you take in 220 and payout 200 for a total of -200 profit

So your theoretical hold is $190 for (220 x 40) = $8800 in action or 2.16%

- neteller deposit and payout fees

- all those damn bonuses and reups

- the fact that no book makes the theoretical hold (go ask “The Greek” if he holds the theoretical 4.55% on nba he would be happy to hold half that)

- the fact that all the rx and mw readers you appear to be targeting most aggressively with your marketing strategy are on the whole scammers, bonus whores, angle shooters, and middlers all price shopping so much with pinnacle and other low vig shops you will do well to get any square action at all from these guys.

_= basically you will struggle to even break even_
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Another illustration of how dumb (or desperate) these guys at skybook are for postup is they are _happy to give a free half point on sides but are reluctant to give it on totals_. But why is this? Any idiot with half a brain knows _giving a half point on sides is far more advantageous to the player than on a tota_l because the variance is much lower on sides.

On a total a half point is worth 5 cents i.e. Under 190 -110 = Under 189.5 -105 . I would like to inform these clowns at Skybook that they are already giving the free half point on totals because where Skybook has Under 190 -110 their sister book IIS already allows me to bet Under 190 -105 anyhow! So why not give me the option of Under 190.5 -110 it's the same thing!
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_Based upon this evidence I simply have to pose the question: How are you guys making any money at all?_
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My only conclusion can be that you guys are simply _trying to attract some postup to keep the cashflow situation reasonable until your next chance at making some profit_ (next football season as you can hardly call this one a success, can you ;-) ) . And bearing this in mind myself and I am sure some other members of this forums have our reservations at holding large balances with you. We appreciate you are a big book and that the Shrink typically uses his customary phrase “High Rollers with Deep Pockets” to describe your ownership but still where there is smoke there is always some chance of a fire.

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My friends and I are quite happy to give you our action because all these half points (even at $500 a pop) do make a difference to our bottom line at the end of the year, and yours to by the time you have paid our fees on neteller deposits and now even 1 free withdrawal a month plus given us a 10% reup bonus on top. However I can only play with you on the condition that THE SHRINK is still extending his offer to guarantee all postup into RIO/ IIS /SKYBOOK as was open not long ago.

I would appreciate a quick response because all these free 0.5 I am missing already are starting to cost me!
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_Regards from the other side of the pond
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Braveheart_

[This message was edited by Braveheart on January 17, 2004 at 08:06 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
BRAVEHEART, I HAVE BEEN WITH THIS BOOK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND YOU SAY SOME PRETTY NASTY THINGS IN YOUR POST. I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN AN AWESOME BOOK FOR ME OVER THE YEARS, AND THAT THEIR OWNERSHIP BENDS OVER BACKWARDS TO GIVE THINGS BACK TO THE PLAYERS. TO SAY THAT THEY ARE MORONS, ETC? I personally know for a fact that if you can get someone to bet every game on the board at minus 4.5 and plus 5.5 that at the end of the year that person will have no money. I say thanks Skybook, and I hope your free half in hoops continues! As to Braveheart, you really don't understand that a free half actually translates into 106 juice exactly. Sorry braveheard, but you just don't see every game on the board land near the #. If they did, we would all be rich middlers.
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Dead On no need for name calling.

Thank You, wilheim.

[This message was edited by wilheim on January 17, 2004 at 09:20 PM.]
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dead on:
WEEKENDALKI, YOU MUST BE A PAID SHILL FOR RIO.This guy really isn't saying anything that bad about them and you are acting like he is DOING YOUR MOTHER,relax asslicker.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Paid shill for rio, please look at my past posts moron. I actually talk on myriad topics as opposed to you, who has never been laid and only surfaces when something negative has been said.
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Braveheart,

It would be my pleasure to guarantee your money at Skybook...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dead on:
WEEKENDALKI, YOU MUST BE A PAID SHILL FOR RIO.This guy really isn't saying anything that bad about them and you are acting like he is DOING YOUR MOTHER,relax asslicker.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
aLSO, AREN'T YOU THE LOSER WHO GOT EXCITED ABOUT A WAGER THEY WON FROM $80.00 FROM PINNACLE LIKE THEY JUST WON THE LOTTERY. yOU ARE A JOKE. i AM A 10 DIME PLAYER AT HOLLYWOOD, CRIS, AND OLYMPIC. IF YOU WOULD LIKE I CAN HAVE HOLLWOOD POST HERE WHO I AM, THAT I AM A 10 DIME PLAYER, AND THAT YOU ARE A JOKE. BTW, HOLLYWOOD IS PROBABLY MY TOP BOOK, FOLLOWED BY PINNCLE, AND THEN RIO. SO $5.00 PLAYER, HOW ABOUT
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Braveheart,

It would be my pleasure to guarantee your money at Skybook...
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THE SHRINK<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


that looks like enough said to me...
 

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Good post and issues raised by Braveheart and great response from skybook. Intersting issues, no clue why so much hostility. I guess they could have been framed in a friendlier manner, but all legitimate issues. Good job by ken as well with the guarantee, not much else anyone could ask for.
 

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Shrink- do you guarantee my $100,000 when I hit my 8 team Torture Teaser at Skybook?
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Meyer, he was talking "if and when".

FWIW, even Rio\Skybooks largest critics from a few months ago are now happy with the answers that they received to the previously unanswered questions regarding who was responsible for backing the book.

I'd be surprised if you had anything to worry about.
 

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I apologize for the hostile manner. If you read any of my posts in the NBA forum you will understand I like to be a little entertaining at times.

Great Response Skybook
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N one wants you to guarantee a deposit Shrink, you should GUARANTEE winnings as well. I couldnt give a shit about my deposit being safe, but I DO WANT my winnings safe!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by playersonly69:
N one wants you to guarantee a deposit Shrink, you should GUARANTEE winnings as well. I couldnt give a shit about my deposit being safe, but I DO WANT my winnings safe!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I kind of figured that was part of the deal
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Brave, never assume anything in this industry. Deposit can be much different that balance.

Regardless, you should be fine in this case, and he may guarantee your balance up to a rather decent amount.
 

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Trust me on this, the deals currently on this site and others are for POST UP funds only! But that doesnt mean shit to me, I want the winnings covered.
 

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If you haven't figured out who are the solid books by now, I dont think a free half will do you any good.

No one is putting a gun to your head, if you think it sounds like a bad deal- DO NOT DO IT.

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if you do go for this offer hos long does it last?

Ive got a lifetime -105 at Guardian Guarentee when I signed up (sides and totals).

Is this free 1/2 point thing over after the Superbowl or MArch MAdness? Or is it for the life of your account?


(Does the 1/2 point also go for NFL when the line is 3? )

thanks, nice offer, at least something to think about.
 

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