Casino dealers want to maintain status quo of stealing from the IRS!

PO69 · Dec 17, 2003

RENO -- A dealer from Harrah's Reno has filed a lawsuit in Washoe County District Court over a change in the way players' tips are collected and distributed to employees.

The lawsuit filed by Reno attorney Ken McKenna last week also names the Internal Revenue Service.

Dealer Marion Gavin objects to a policy change that has resulted in the casino paying out the tips on employees' biweekly paychecks. Before Oct. 31, dealers collected the cash directly from the players. Gavin wants to keep it that way.

"The new process now includes tips as wages earned, forcibly removing the money from the employee, depositing them into Harrah's corporate account," the lawsuit states.

Harrah's Lake Tahoe spokesman John Packer joined corporate spokesman Gary Thompson in declining to comment on the lawsuit. Thompson said only that "when change is implemented, there may be opposition to it."

The policy change at Reno resulted from an IRS audit, according to a letter written to employees by finance director Marcia Martin. The letter states that federal law obligates casino staffers to "present to the employer a listing of the actual share of pooled tips received by or given to each employee."

PO69 · Dec 17, 2003

Hwre is my opinion on the matter below:

Well UNCLE, the only real greedy people are the dealers. They dont like the change because now they will have to accurately account for tips. Tips are of course, earned income and should be taxable. Well in the present status quo, dealers report about 20% or less of their actual tips at the end of the year.

The same process has been used for decades in the food service industry. For instance, about 16 years ago I was a waiter and we of course recieved cash tips in addition to the minimum salary. Of course tips were expected to bring you to about $10-20 an hour or so. Well at the end of EACH NIGHT, the manager has each employee sign a pay slip documenting tips for the night. Of course most employees say that they make SUBSTANIALLY less money on tips then they do. Usually making maybe $5.00 an hour which was just above minimum wage at that time.

Now casino dealers can make some HUGE tips in regards to other "tipped" employees. For instance, at a high stakes table, the dealer could easily pull $100-400 an hour in tips. Whereas a dealer in another part of the casino MIGHT get $15 in tips. Of course at the end of the day, each employee reports the EXACT same amount of tips. So you think that it is fair that these high stakes dealers cheat the US government?

But then again, UNCLE doesnt pay taxes on his gambling winnings!

So in reality, the true people who are being greedy are the dealers

MudSlideSlim · Dec 17, 2003

who's Uncle?

soccerbob · Dec 17, 2003

players- Well said. Casino dealers are just about the most greedy mongrels you will ever meet. Quite some time ago, Las Vegas casinos went to tip spliting among all dealers for all games on each shift. This was done so the IRS could get an accurate figure as to what dealers really made at each casino, rather than what they actually claimed on their taxes.

I'm no fan of the IRS but I'm surprised it took them as long as it did to realize the dealers were blatantly under reporting their income. When the changes were implemented the dealers wrote letters and made phone calls to everyone but Santa Claus. It didn't get them anywhere as they quickly found out that they didn't get any sympathy when they were exposed for the tax dodging cheats that they had been for all those previous years.

slots · Dec 17, 2003

uh, ya, but as far as im concerned when it was tips table for table, you had better customer service, and the best dealers made the most money. Especially in craps...now the bozo's on the dead $5 games make the same as the dealer who goes out of his way to be nice to his players.

PO69 · Dec 17, 2003

why do you need good customer service in blackjack? It doesnt make you win anymore money

Kiss1 · Dec 17, 2003

It's the rich that don't pay any taxes. When a working stiff finds a way to "fudge" a little you won't find me crying about it.

areeff · Dec 18, 2003

The rich do most of the tax screwing but in my opinion dealers that EXPECT tips are whining loser piece of crap. Dealers that deal and hope to provide a positive fun atmosphere and HOPE to be tipped i'm all about. That is really what it's about is that dealers have come to expect tips (no different that food service) instead of hope for them.

Dealing cards is only a stepup from Mcdonalds. They shouldn't expect to make a kings ransom.

bulldog77 · Dec 18, 2003

Customer service does matter in black jack and not just because it makes it a more pleasant experience. A dealer with any brain at all will deal deeper into the deck(s) if being tipped by the player in return. If they are keeping their own tokes they have more incentive to treat the player better all around. Also, I'm willing to tip, but not when my tips are being divided up equally between the friendly dealer and the rude and surly jerk who just left my table! In a restaurant my tip doesn't get divided up with every waitress in the restaurant only the one who is serving me as it should be.
The casinos could easily figure out a way to let the dealers keep their own tips and still satisfy Uncle Sam.

BuckFush · Dec 18, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The rich do most of the tax screwing but in my opinion dealers that EXPECT tips are whining loser piece of crap. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dealers, like restaurant workers, make most of their salaries from tips. Would you call your waitress a whining loser piece of crap for "expecting" a tip? Not unless you want some little tadpoles swimming in your cream of mushroom soup if you know what I mean.

mvbski · Dec 18, 2003

as Steve Martin said in my blue heavan "I believe in over tipping" if I get great service I leave a great tip if I get bad service I leave a bad tip.

max1234 · Dec 18, 2003

From what I understand, the dealers in the High limit rooms make the same as the dealers at the $5 table... all tips from each shift are divided equally among the dealers. Only poker dealers get to keep their own tokes.

mvbski · Dec 18, 2003

Max,yes that is the way it is now ,years ago they kept there own and service was much better now they dont care because they know they will get the same

slots · Dec 18, 2003

jeez,

im not talking about bj only.....if your playing dice and got the dealer working for ya, it makes life easier...if you dont know what Im talking about then forget it...

dealers are working people, who make min wage like a lot of people in the service industry, and deserve a tip if you feel like they have took care of you... if you dont think tipping matters, see what kinda of service a stiff gets and compare that with your own expectation...I tip period for friendly and effeciant service...and if your talking bj, how bout an early shuffle when you hit a bad shoe? $5 bettors ignore the above...

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