<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SportSavant:
How do you know when you are playing party poker that it is a safe game...ie that your opponents are not on the phone with each other telling each other what cards they have etc etc....I am sure they have some safeguards in place but it cannot be foolproof can it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You do not sportsavant... I am sure it goes on in all poker rooms.
I play at PP alot and If I noticed certain people always raising against each other or whatever to get others to fold I move to a different table, I usually play low limits where I think that sort of collusion may not happen as much...but IMO PP is the best .
How do you know when you are playing party poker that it is a safe game...ie that your opponents are not on the phone with each other telling each other what cards they have etc etc....I am sure they have some safeguards in place but it cannot be foolproof can it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You do not sportsavant... I am sure it goes on in all poker rooms.
I play at PP alot and If I noticed certain people always raising against each other or whatever to get others to fold I move to a different table, I usually play low limits where I think that sort of collusion may not happen as much...but IMO PP is the best .
The other posters are correct: it is impossible to stop collusion completely. However, all the decent Poker outfits have both Poker experts actually watching the play in real time, and also software which looks for suspicious play. Neither are infallable, and the former is certainly not cheap, but they go a long way to stop problems getting out of hand.
Stick with the advice given by the other posters and stick to low limit games. If you have any issues at all, raise them with the Poker outfit you are playing with, and like with any kind of gambling just move on to another place if you feel like you are getting shafted.
There are plenty out there!
Stick with the advice given by the other posters and stick to low limit games. If you have any issues at all, raise them with the Poker outfit you are playing with, and like with any kind of gambling just move on to another place if you feel like you are getting shafted.
There are plenty out there!
Collusion happens more often in low limit games than in higher ones. The cheats know that the high limit players will both spot it faster and be certain to report it to management quickly.
Most good online poker rooms use two main methods to stop collusion.
1) Acting on complaints by players. Every hand is recorded on Party Poker and the other good online rooms. Management can review claims of suspicious activity.
2) Collusion software is in place at Party Poker and most good online rooms. The software doesn't look for suspicious betting activity. What it does is look for the same usernames showing up in the same game at a frequency greater than what would normally happen. If that happens, management reviews hands they play to look for betting activity (relative to the hands held) that might suggest collusion.
It isn't totally foolproof, but it goes a long way towards dealing with the problem.
BTW: Collusion cheats don't waste their time on the phone. They simply open Yahoo or AIM messengers and voice chat each other.
Most good online poker rooms use two main methods to stop collusion.
1) Acting on complaints by players. Every hand is recorded on Party Poker and the other good online rooms. Management can review claims of suspicious activity.
2) Collusion software is in place at Party Poker and most good online rooms. The software doesn't look for suspicious betting activity. What it does is look for the same usernames showing up in the same game at a frequency greater than what would normally happen. If that happens, management reviews hands they play to look for betting activity (relative to the hands held) that might suggest collusion.
It isn't totally foolproof, but it goes a long way towards dealing with the problem.
BTW: Collusion cheats don't waste their time on the phone. They simply open Yahoo or AIM messengers and voice chat each other.
What about when you guys post here for example that there is a Private table open...obviously lots of players from this forum would then go to PPoker to Play...& would often play together at the same table...(Obviously becauz they are freinds & want to chat while playing). Would this collusion software not negate this or would it be 'inactive' or something due to the fact that it was a private table. later
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Playing on a private table with friends has a totally different play pattern than cheaters. Just because you chat with other people on the table does not mean that you can see each other's hands and bet accordingly. Most software looks at play patterns and not whether people are chatting with each other.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SportSavant:
I understand, however it was suggested earlier that the software may look for two people in the same table more than what would be 'reasonable' however I guess if it is a private table this determination woudnt matter?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Obviously the private tables have to be excluded from software that searches for players playing together at a statistically significant level.
Party is probably one of the safest places to play because the large number of players make it easier to detect players who are at the same table more frequently than would be expected.
Basically the answer is if you play low limits the colluders are such poor players that they shouldn't impact your game. If you play high limits you should have the experience to be aware. Also don't be fooled by players who use a highly aggressive style into thinking they are colluding. As the saying goes if you can't stand the heat leave the kitchen.
I understand, however it was suggested earlier that the software may look for two people in the same table more than what would be 'reasonable' however I guess if it is a private table this determination woudnt matter?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Obviously the private tables have to be excluded from software that searches for players playing together at a statistically significant level.
Party is probably one of the safest places to play because the large number of players make it easier to detect players who are at the same table more frequently than would be expected.
Basically the answer is if you play low limits the colluders are such poor players that they shouldn't impact your game. If you play high limits you should have the experience to be aware. Also don't be fooled by players who use a highly aggressive style into thinking they are colluding. As the saying goes if you can't stand the heat leave the kitchen.
JUST AN FYI ON PARTY POKER RULES
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iv. If you provide incorrect or misleading registration information;
v. If you are not of legal age;
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viii. If you have not played at the PartyPoker.com on an individual basis for personal entertainment only (that is, you have played in a professional sense or in concert with other player(s) as part of a club, group, etc.);
ix. If you have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
x. If you are found cheating or if it is determined by Company that you have employed or made use of a system (including machines, computers, software or other automated systems) designed specifically to defeat the system;
xi. If you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement; OR
xii. If Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site under any of the circumstances set out at i) to xi) above.
Anyone know if this account abandonment rule is standard issue for poker sites?
15. Abandonment of Account Balance.
The Company reserves the right to cancel your PartyPoker.com account for any reason whatsoever at any time without notice to you. If you do not access your PartyPoker.com account by "logging in" to your Account by using your AccountName and password for a period of one hundred and eighty (180) days, your Account will be closed and the entire Account Balance will be deemed abandoned and forfeited; provided however, such requirement for log-in and entry is not and does not constitute any requirement whatsoever for you to play any Game, deposit funds or participate in any activity at PartyPoker.com other than logging in. For the avoidance of doubt, pursuant to this section, Company may also close your ezEcash account as well as any ESP account which you have.
16. Forfeiture, Account Closure and Confiscation.
Company reserves the right, in its unfettered discretion, to void any winnings and confiscate any balance in your PartyPoker.com account (and ezEcash account as well as any other ESP or Company related account including other websites and casinos owned or operated by Company) in any of the following circumstances:
i. If you have more than one active account at PartyPoker.com;
ii. If the name on your PartyPoker.com account registration does not match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to make purchases at PartyPoker.com;
iii. If you participate in a PartyPoker.com promotion and withdraw before fulfilling the requirements of that particular promotion;
iv. If you provide incorrect or misleading registration information;
v. If you are not of legal age;
vi. If you connect from a jurisdiction where participation in the Games is prohibited by law;
vii. If you have allowed or permitted (intentionally or unintentionally) someone else to use your Account;
viii. If you have not played at the PartyPoker.com on an individual basis for personal entertainment only (that is, you have played in a professional sense or in concert with other player(s) as part of a club, group, etc.);
ix. If you have "charged back" or denied any of the purchases or deposits that you made to your Account;
x. If you are found cheating or if it is determined by Company that you have employed or made use of a system (including machines, computers, software or other automated systems) designed specifically to defeat the system;
xi. If you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement; OR
xii. If Company should become aware that you have played at any other online gaming site under any of the circumstances set out at i) to xi) above.
Anyone know if this account abandonment rule is standard issue for poker sites?
