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avivz3 · Dec 12, 2003

hi!

i am from israel and open an account in partypoker.com
i deposit 50$ and play a game against player and win 157$ that was paid to me to neteller.
a week after a log in again and play against the same man alone and win around 200$. thats time when i ask a payout i saw the massage: your account is closed and cannot log in.
please help me. my user name was: af0969

[This message was edited by The General on December 13, 2003 at 10:25 AM.]

SportSavant · Dec 12, 2003

why dont u contact cx care & ask them why?

Fishhead · Dec 12, 2003

avivz- Yes, contact CS....I believe they have a LIVE HELP on their site.

Dante · Dec 12, 2003

maybe its just a simply Mistake Aviv....and by the way nice to see you posting again...I have not seen you in a long time Post Sir

areeff · Dec 12, 2003

think he's money laundering or abusing bonuses by playing heads up.. hard to say..

avivz3 · Dec 12, 2003

i dont take any bonus and dont want it. i am playing fair not using any software and not icq with anyone

SportSavant · Dec 12, 2003

regarless, they should explain to him what is happening...what did they say when you emailed or called them av?

TheGeneral+ · Dec 12, 2003

avivz3,

I have emailed PP and asked for assistance.

Good luck

theswami · Dec 12, 2003

This could get ugly!!!

1) Party's CS sucks unless you are a preferred player and then it just sucks less.

2) The sites monitor heads up play:
a) if avivz3 and the other player have played games full ring games together and it appeared that they colluded they probably shut down the account since the heads up play would be seen as a money transfer mechanism without using the available transfer feature (to avoid detection).
b) if the other player was using a stolen credit card or some other unsavory means to fund the account then avivz3 could appear to be a part of the scam since the money was being transferred to him (via heads up play).

Party stinks when it comes to the human side of the poker game. With that said, they have made strides to prevent collusion, scamming, and all-in abuse. As a matter of fact, over the last 2 weeks I reported two guys for all-in abuse and Party reviewed the accounts and limited their all-in availabilty. If the abuse continues Party will close the accounts.

BTW, why does it seem that MANY complaints reagrding account closures and bonus recaptures at books and poker rooms come from non-U.S. players? Is it that Americans are not as ingenious as the rest of the world and fail to think of the scams? Are American more honest? Are player verification/set-up processes geared toward Americans so the denizens of the rest of the world have "difficulty"

with their accounts?

General let me know (via this thread) if Party contacts you? I didn't realize that the Rx had a dispute resolution relationship with Party or any other poker rooms for that matter.

theswami · Dec 12, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by areeff:
SNIP.....abusing bonuses by playing heads up.. SNIP....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Areeff-

Why does this matter? Party still rakes the pot. Why would they care if two people decided to play heads up in order to earn a bonus faster? In fact I would think that Party would encourage it since they make a TON on heads-up and short-handed play.

Since I don't make 4-5 BB at 4/8 or 3-4 BB at 5/10 like you I may be a bit slow in understanding your point.

marc · Dec 12, 2003

I think party poker offers a 1 time sign up bonus. Makes it a juicy target for scammers. One person opens an account and acts likea legit player. Then a second person opens an account gets the bonus, and goes head to head with the first guy. Of course the second guy loses. Then a third gy opens an acocunt, takes the bonus, and also goes head to head with the fist uy. And amazingly, the third guy also loses. This scenario keeps repeating itself until the wores run out of computers/ip addresses to use.

Aviv,

DOn't know you. You could be an honest guy. But Danes an Isrealies have a terrible reputation in the casino world for scamming bonuses. The mere fact that you are Israeli, probably raised a red flag. If you've done nothing wrong, I hope you get your money back in time to buy some jelly donuts for Chanukah.

TheGeneral+ · Dec 12, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> General let me know (via this thread) if Party contacts you? I didn't realize that the Rx had a dispute resolution relationship with Party or any other poker rooms for that matter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If contacted, I will act upon the request of the player and/or PP. There is no dispute mediation agreement with PP. I can only try to assist on my own.

theswami · Dec 12, 2003

Thanks General.

You guys are solid!!

SportSavant · Dec 12, 2003

I have never quite Understood why people from certain countries are banned from certain sportsbooks or banned from getting bonuses...What are some of the common scams that they uses? & what exactly is it...are they the only countries where people can figure out these scams? confused....

Aviv it is odd, is it not that you played poker twice with the same individual in a head to head game...Is this other person also from Israel...how did it come about that you were playing them?

SportSavant · Dec 12, 2003

I have never quite Understood why people from certain countries are banned from certain sportsbooks or banned from getting bonuses...What are some of the common scams that they uses? & what exactly is it...are they the only countries where people can figure out these scams? confused....

Aviv it is odd, is it not that you played poker twice with the same individual in a head to head game...Is this other person also from Israel...how did it come about that you were playing them?

bucsfan67 · Dec 12, 2003

i must agree about the customer service there...i think their poker room is by far the busiest, and funnest....but if you have a problem, trying to find someone to help is a joke.....i tried the live help, sat there for 5 minutes with my question typed in, no response.....then i called customer service with my problem, was transferred 3 times, each time having to tell the whole story, give acct number, then with 4th person, he said "i can help you, hold please" and disconnected me........called back told them i had been disconnected, he gave me a direct number to call, and i called it, its says please hold for next available person, then says you are being connected, they pick up, it disconnects me....

finally got it taken care of, and there were always polite, but it took 25 minutes to take care of something that should have taken no more than 5 minutes easy....

Halifax · Dec 12, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by marc:
I think party poker offers a 1 time sign up bonus. Makes it a juicy target for scammers. One person opens an account and acts likea legit player. Then a second person opens an account gets the bonus, and goes head to head with the first guy. Of course the second guy loses. Then a third gy opens an acocunt, takes the bonus, and also goes head to head with the fist uy. And amazingly, the third guy also loses. This scenario keeps repeating itself until the wores run out of computers/ip addresses to use.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like that's exactly what happened.

He played one week later, and coincidentally happened to be playing solo against the very same player from one week before.

scpnc · Dec 12, 2003

will you guys shut up with this money laundering crap, yeah what about $400 dollars worth, just cause he is from israel doesn't mean he is trying to launder a measley $400 bucks.

SportSavant · Dec 12, 2003

scpnc,

agreed...not laundering...is it possible that he & a friend however thought they could Bonus pilfer? after all, why would someone post in a forum without more details?

RayB · Dec 12, 2003

1) Party's CS sucks unless you are a preferred player and then it just sucks less.

The worst.

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