A message for Truthteller (Lying Shill) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I am a shill, but at least I am honest enough to tell all of you who i am. a shill. Truthteller, on the other hand obviously has a vendetta against our company and has been spreading fallacious rumors ever since. He, along with the co-conspirators have done everything they can to taint rio/skybook's name for the last 18 months. Well, guess what? We are still here, and still paying like a slot machine. After being fed up with these forums and the lack of enforcement associated with these individuals who can just make up whatever they want without fear of ramifications, we told the Shrink we were pulling our ads if this doesn't stop.Just like jazz did over a year ago when they were tired of these unregulated forums, we are fed up with these people who spread sladerous,libelous statements with complete reckless disregard for the players or accuracy. The shrink promised us that things will change and that anyone going into these forums will be banned if they engage in this malevolent activity. Truthteller (lowest lying slime), we know that you have no foundation to your comments, and when the moderators do their investigation, you will be banned, I am sure. At rio, we can promise you that if the moderators find no proof of your disparaging statements, which we know they won't because everything you have said is a lie, we will be off of this site if you and others like you are not banned. We have spoken to fellow advertisers on this site, including Lenny from Cascade, etc. etc. and everyone agrees that they are not happy with a scenario where posters can come to a site, write something defamatory that is completely inaccurate, and suffer no consequence. Truthteller, we at Rio would like to thank you for changing the status quo at the RX, and hopefully the other sites with integrity. We would like to thank you for making these forums a place where people who make up lies will suffer the consequences. If the New york times prints something inaccurate, they will suffer dire consequences. It is time that these forums have to adhere to the same standards. Once again, Rio/Skybook would like to thank all of our loyal and satisfied customers who have enjoyed great service for 7 years! And we thank the customers and readers here who are smart enough to look at the facts. Not one person is owed money or has been slow paid by rio/skybook. Skybook has been a staple on the Don best premium feed for 6 years. Skybook's lines appear on USA Today.com and Fox sports.com. As stated earlier, would these huge sites associate with a book that is even borderline weak? Feel free to contact any book on the don best screen and ask about rio. Contact Dana from Don best and ask about Rio. We know you will be very happy with what you hear. Also, we would like to always implore you to keep reasonable balances with all books, and always feel free to ask for a payout from Rio/Skybook at any time just to see how fast we pay. Also Rio skybook always promotes players to be leery of things too good to be true. Sure, the free half may appear that way on the surface, however it is limited to $500.00 per game, and amount that we are more than comfortable with. To all of you loyal players who have benefited from the free half, feel free to take money out at any time just to see how quickly you get paid. We hope this clarifies our position, and we thank you and the soon to be banned truthteller for making these forums a better place for the readers, and all sportsbooks that are discussed here. to all, have a wonderful holiday, and a great weekend.

The rumors will not be tolerated and I am trying to establish just as you say. Present facts & you will be allowed to speak. Present rumors and you will not be allowed to do so, for it may harm an innocent sportsbook. This is the direction I am seeking as well.

Rio,

Keep up the good fight, gentlemen. I wish you the best against this obvious smear campaign. I know how it feels, and I am glad that the General and crew are stepping up to stop the slander. Best of luck to you and yours.

Jake

I agree it is annoying when someone comes in and says Iv'e heard this or that but can't say where or why but its the nature of the beast.

If The Shrink is able to execute the collection of the book's financial records than that is all that is needed to put rumors to bed.

As for right now rumors saved the players alot of money and a good book knows its on a level playing field and all books deal with them.
Its no coincidence that thriving books like the Olys, WWTSs, Pins and Vips don't try to put a public figure on every corner and are rarely the subject of rumors.

Books may not like bad press but some need to get a harder shell. I made a post about Rio and have nothing against the book and I receieved a similar post from SHilly here. (you could insert my name where trithteller's is) This guy crys and moans everytime someone doesn't have a Rio T-shirt on. (gets very very defensive)

Now... I'm not saying repeating posts and constant bumping should be allowed. That would show an ageneda or harassment but the description on this forum is ...

Applaud, Praise, Bitch, Moan. This is your folder to comment on offshore books/casinos.

Adversely constant praising of a book and shilling would also have to be addressed as it can also be harmful if not accurate.

If a few more rumors came out this moneth some people may have not lost what they did.

Also want to say that I have no idea what TT posted but was talking about rumors in general.

Nothing wrong with a shill as long as you say it up front! Some shills are actually good

PP69
thats not technically shilling is it? If you say it up front youd just be advertising.

This is a definite smear campaign. Rio has been one of the best offshore casino's bar none. I have been paid everytime within hours. They have been a class act in every facet from customer service to the internet department to wagering. The staff is not only fair but extremely courteous. They have been a sponser of many contests on the rx and have always paid as I have won a handful of times. They had the money in my account before I asked about it. Truthteller, you are barking up the wrong tree and will get burned on this one. My only suggestion is to apologize for your post as you did not have all the facts. It is your only option to get out of this one. Rio is the best.

Billdozer, i agree with jgerson. You can say what you want about rumors possibly saving people from losing their money. But you seem to be discounting the potential damage that sportsbooks who are targeted as Rio has by unfounded rumors. Are you saying that people should be allowed to start posts with erroneous information just because joe shmoe told him something? If that kind of stuff is allowed, then we might as well blow these forums off completely. People, including yourself should be held accountable for everything they say. If someone starts a rumor that potentially could start a run on ANY book that advertises with the RX or even a book that doesn't, that person should be held accountable if that rumor has no tangible substance. I would guarantee you that the majority of people here would agree with my perspective over yours. I agree with you that if there is "real" evidence against a book that is either slow paying or o the brink that it should be the #1 topic of discussion. Without evidence that is tangible it is not fair to ANY sportsbook to have to deal with innuendo that comes from someone with an agenda. Let's hope that the General actually implements these changes so that the "ghosts" and other bad guys and their IP's are either eliminated or somehow held accountable for erroneous words that have the power to take a legitimate book right into the ditch.

RIO,

Who am I shilling for? I would love to know. I call a spade a spade. Look at my thread yesterday where I acknowledged in your own thread paying all your employees. http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=44510197

If I had a vendetta against your company why would I have made that post? And for what reason in the world would I make up a slanderous statement if I didn't have proof and someone in the inside warned me.

Don't be spinning anything here and try to put a gag on me or any other poster revealing the truth. I have save plenty of people alot of $$$ and I will continue to post when I receive info. You think what I posted came off the street?

If you are saying your company is not getting the hell beat out of it for that 1/2 point you are giving away then you are a fcking LIAR.

That company is in semi disaray and you and I both know it.

It's up to the posters to make that judgement on who is telling the truth since it's their money.

TT,
Unless you have evidence of some sort your posts are not only useless they are flat out slander.

All we have on Rio is that
1. NO BODY in our knowledge has ever been no/slow paid
2. Spiro gave his endorsement of Rio

Those 2 FACTS are more than 90% of the books out there can say. This isn't like GA where a flawwed biz model was obvious from the start, this is a long standing reputable shop that you're making these allegations against.

Unless you have evidence, which you seemingly do no, I don't think there's any reason for this.

Rio is full of shit. Why is it that these people would just slander them out of the blue?? What else do you expect ANY book to do except to say they are in great shape. When they are running off the posters funds they obviously can't have people rushing to take there $$$ out. I'd feel real uncomfortable if I had money with them. Some people that IMO are very reliable people say Rio is ****ed. Who do you believe, a reliable poster who has no reason to care one way or another or the book that's desperately trying to keep there head above water?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Some people that IMO are very reliable people say Rio is ****ed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who are you referring to?

Thanks

There has been a lot of conflicting rumors about Rio over the last few months. Depending on who you do and don't believe, your beliefs about them would vary greatly.

About the only thing that we really know is that they recently borrowed several hundred thousand dollars-and even that amount varied greatly.

I have a very tough time believing that "all is well", but I'm also not sure that they are down to their last dollar.

If Rio does go down, at least there was some warning. You really wouldn't have anyone to blame but yourself.

Truthteller, we spoke to the Shrink, and he is in 100% agreement that conjecture and malicious rumors with no documentation will no longer be tolerated. Sure, the games hurt when they land, but we don't allow the free half on 3 or 7, and overall we earn to it. Feel free to call Billy Baxter, one of the most famous gamblers in the world. He says that a free half is equivalent to 107 juice. There are plenty of books that do just fine with 107 juice. You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand that the myriad of other games that don't land on the number are a huge profit for the book. For you to extrapolate on your pathetic opinion about rio's financial position without any knowledge from the inside and potentially put a book in peril, you should be ashamed of yourself. If rio is in such dire straights, they why did they have such a MONSTER thursday, and continue to have profitable week after profitable week with their great linesmaker? If rio was in such dire shape, then why did rio welcome SBR to come into the book and perform an audit. You are obviously an outsider who thrives on rumors and innuendo. If you were truly objective, and actually cared you would only speak when you truly had the facts, as opposed to disseminating malicious rumors about one of the top, and most generous sportsbooks in the world. By the way, you VASTLY underestimate the intelligence of the people who frequent these forums. Rio has been blasted by co-conspirators like yourself, and has suffered virtually ZERO closed accounts. Why, might you ask has your campaign, and russ' faltered? Because people are smart enough to look at the facts. And the facts are that this company is both viable, and honorable, two things you know nothing about. People at Rio are welcomed to take IMMEDIATE payouts following a win. Rio/Skybook clients are advised to keep low balances whereever they play for their peace of mind. You are either a Russ shill, a bitter ex employee, or a guy who wants to proliferate hate because of your own unhappiness. You can keep trying to undermine Rio, but thanks to the intelligence of the vast majority, it will only be an exercise in futility. We are looking forward to the new policies at the RX that will now allow people like you to make false statements, and wish everyone a healthy and prosperous holiday season. p.s. Rio/Skybook would like to once again thank our loyal client base for your patronage and support. We know that we are nothing without you, and hope to become even better in 2004!

If these books are so concerned about rumors potentially damaging their business, then they need to get the players' post up monies in independent third party, verifiable escrow accounts. Until that is done there will always be rumors, and blustering and ranting about them will accomplish nothing.

If the books continue to refuse to put the players' funds in segregated escrow accounts, then they'll just have to deal with the rumors and the potential harm that they may cause.

It's their choice.

valdosta, so you are saying that rio will also be out of business soon? Where did you get your information? The Shrink said he would wager that Rio will be around next year at this time with anyone who wants to put their money down. Spiro will hold the money and take 10% for the headache. If you want to wager 1000 dollars, or just 100, spiro will hold the money, and the Shrink will bet against you for whatever you would like. Any other poster who wont put up their money here is obviously full of shit. Put your f..in money where your mouth is. Cmon Truthteller, Billdozer, valdosta, everyone is watching to see you step up and make a bet here. Surely, if I had insight that a company was going down, i would bet on it just like i would short the stock market. if you don't put up your money, everyone here will know exactly what you guys are: Phony people with no credibility trying to hurt someone. I am sure that none of you will make the bet where Spiro holds the money because we already all know you are full of shit. Let's see if any of you have the balls. Also valdosta, the shrink promised us that any slander will result in banning from the site. I can't wait to show him your post and get you banned too. He made it perfectly clear that slander will not be tolerated against ANY sportsbook. When we contacted other books about this new policy, they were elated. I guess you are looking to get banned too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rio Shill:
Truthteller, we spoke to the Shrink, and he is in 100% agreement that conjecture and malicious rumors with no documentation will no longer be tolerated. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ewinner anybody

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.

Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.

When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"

But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.

Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"

But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.

At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.

"There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"

An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

"We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"

I don't get this why don't they just 86 this clown once and for all. I have been with RIO over 5 years and never once have I ever had one problem. Please someone get rid of him,people like him is what give these boards a bad name

RIO Shill,

Glad you spoke to the Shrink. I hope you told him too that before accepting advertisers, they should have all post up in an escrow account.

I still don't get why I have a vendetta against your company when I gave you props yesterday. You call me a co-conspirator, low life slime etc.. Same thing they were calling me when I spoke up about GA.

No, you vastly underestimate the posters here. They will look at my past posts and make their judgement.

General, you know the saying about been fooled once and twice. Don't get Mike Silvered in this situation.

What a day. Not only was I in a war with a pot head and a multiple account scammer now I have a self admitted shill trying to fool me and the masses.

What is a guy with a Master's degree in Business doing on this forum. Trying to save them their money I guess. But is it worth it?