Fail to see how it's possible for it to be either wrong or unethical. What it IS, however, is a really good way to make your site redundant and pointless to use - given the security provided by an Olympic, why would anyone want to play at a clone book, except perhaps for those playing for reload bonuses if offered? If it's mainly props, no big deal - if it's most of the spreads, then the clone book is offering no incentive for people to play there, assuming the odds offered are identical on the spreads.
As my associates have always told me when I have complained about my hard work and ideas being stolen:
Plagiarism is the best form of Flattery
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But to answer your question Dante...
Let's bring everyone up to speed.
Sportsbooks use Don Best to import all the games AND they can import any of the lines that are on the Don Best screen.
I'm sure some books have built little import programs to import Oly's lines as well from Oly's site as Oly's lines are NOT available on Don Best.
So allot of books may import another books lines just to ensure their lines are competitive in the market. And this just seems to be a COMMON practice
But books like Oly take the time to input their own lines to be competitive.
(jwunderdog's point about Oly's customer base is correct because Oly sets and moves their lines based on what their customers are betting on.)
This is just a case of Follow the Leader
Case-in-point:
Let's look at the Studios in Hollywood.
How many times over the past 20 years did one studio come out with a film that had a certain story line and 2 or 3 other studios came out with almost the same film story etc around the SAME time.
Take for instance Tom Hank's BIG and Vica Versa, etc Hollywood studios are notorious for STEALING other's ideas and then flaunting them in each other's faces.
So compare that business practice to the Sportsbooks copying other books lines just to be competitve and it really doesn't seem that bad. LOL
Plagiarism is the best form of Flattery
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But to answer your question Dante...
Let's bring everyone up to speed.
Sportsbooks use Don Best to import all the games AND they can import any of the lines that are on the Don Best screen.
I'm sure some books have built little import programs to import Oly's lines as well from Oly's site as Oly's lines are NOT available on Don Best.
So allot of books may import another books lines just to ensure their lines are competitive in the market. And this just seems to be a COMMON practice
But books like Oly take the time to input their own lines to be competitive.
(jwunderdog's point about Oly's customer base is correct because Oly sets and moves their lines based on what their customers are betting on.)
This is just a case of Follow the Leader
Case-in-point:
Let's look at the Studios in Hollywood.
How many times over the past 20 years did one studio come out with a film that had a certain story line and 2 or 3 other studios came out with almost the same film story etc around the SAME time.
Take for instance Tom Hank's BIG and Vica Versa, etc Hollywood studios are notorious for STEALING other's ideas and then flaunting them in each other's faces.
So compare that business practice to the Sportsbooks copying other books lines just to be competitve and it really doesn't seem that bad. LOL
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris@ Olympic Sports:
Compliment yes, but you spend time figuring the #'s out then have someone else copy your work and promote them as theirs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Answered the question without the mentioning of, as you say, promoting them as theirs. In what context are you speaking may I ask?
Compliment yes, but you spend time figuring the #'s out then have someone else copy your work and promote them as theirs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Answered the question without the mentioning of, as you say, promoting them as theirs. In what context are you speaking may I ask?
If all the books are contributing something via linesmakers then I don't think it is a big deal that they borrow props and even opening lines from each other. But when books offer no original lines, then they are just taking and not giving (and this latter situation which seems to be the status quo).
Compliment yes, but you spend time figuring the #'s out then have someone else copy your work and promote them as theirs.
Chris,
Why not fvck around with your prices?
Put up some fake nos., on which you hardly take action by putting up a very low limit or have bets fail everytime a customer wants to bet on them. VictorChandler has this practise for years. You then simply bet yourself with those books that copy your lines. Soon enough they will stop copying them!
Chris,
Why not fvck around with your prices?
Put up some fake nos., on which you hardly take action by putting up a very low limit or have bets fail everytime a customer wants to bet on them. VictorChandler has this practise for years. You then simply bet yourself with those books that copy your lines. Soon enough they will stop copying them!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris@ Olympic Sports:
Compliment yes, but you spend time figuring the #'s out then have someone else copy your work and promote them as theirs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The last part is what makes it worst IMO. GA makes it look like they made those lines, and the truth is that these props are copied directly from Oly.
Compliment yes, but you spend time figuring the #'s out then have someone else copy your work and promote them as theirs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The last part is what makes it worst IMO. GA makes it look like they made those lines, and the truth is that these props are copied directly from Oly.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris@ Olympic Sports:
jwunderdog you are correct, our #'s are based on Olympic Customers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chris, you must know that there are at least 3 (and I'm sure many more) books that 100% clone your props.
You should mess with 'em sometime. Maybe put up a bad number but have it so that it won't bet thru at Oly. Let the other book deal with the fallout when they get nailed.
jwunderdog you are correct, our #'s are based on Olympic Customers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Chris, you must know that there are at least 3 (and I'm sure many more) books that 100% clone your props.
You should mess with 'em sometime. Maybe put up a bad number but have it so that it won't bet thru at Oly. Let the other book deal with the fallout when they get nailed.
Posted by ACW:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why not fvck around with your prices?
Put up some fake nos., on which you hardly take action by putting up a very low limit or have bets fail everytime a customer wants to bet on them. VictorChandler has this practise for years. You then simply bet yourself with those books that copy your lines. Soon enough they will stop copying them!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Always insightful, ACW. Always on top of the game, always trying to make the best out of the worst. I like your posts.
Let me ask you: Do you think Spiros has not done this for years now? If I knew somebody was gonna copy my lines, no matter what I hang out there, then I would throw that line off a couple points, I would then nail the clone against the wall and THEN I would adjust my prices: the beauty of ARBITRAGING.
What has happened to Spiros, then? Nada, the man is in his high place in Montego making money as usual. But Pinny now is taking the place that Spiros owned by himself. Different story though.
Spiros is old school. Pinny is sharp youngblood and is very well fvcking aware of how to manipulate the juice of their opinionated lines. Does anybody wonder why a player is most likely to lose @ Pinnacle? What makes Pinny so strong? The simple fact that they know how to allure a PRICE-SHOPPER into a hard number by sweetening the juice. Sort of getting fvcked hard, but with a foreplay...
This cloning game is old. And there are only a few books that rule the game. Now, that I'm at it:
Think why books like Grande and Hollywood remain bookers. Why Cascade kills in MLB. Why? Because there's always 2 sides to an arbitraging game. And you always need solid bookers to absorb your exposure.
[This message was edited by Walk of Life on October 28, 2003 at 02:33 PM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why not fvck around with your prices?
Put up some fake nos., on which you hardly take action by putting up a very low limit or have bets fail everytime a customer wants to bet on them. VictorChandler has this practise for years. You then simply bet yourself with those books that copy your lines. Soon enough they will stop copying them!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Always insightful, ACW. Always on top of the game, always trying to make the best out of the worst. I like your posts.
Let me ask you: Do you think Spiros has not done this for years now? If I knew somebody was gonna copy my lines, no matter what I hang out there, then I would throw that line off a couple points, I would then nail the clone against the wall and THEN I would adjust my prices: the beauty of ARBITRAGING.
What has happened to Spiros, then? Nada, the man is in his high place in Montego making money as usual. But Pinny now is taking the place that Spiros owned by himself. Different story though.
Spiros is old school. Pinny is sharp youngblood and is very well fvcking aware of how to manipulate the juice of their opinionated lines. Does anybody wonder why a player is most likely to lose @ Pinnacle? What makes Pinny so strong? The simple fact that they know how to allure a PRICE-SHOPPER into a hard number by sweetening the juice. Sort of getting fvcked hard, but with a foreplay...
This cloning game is old. And there are only a few books that rule the game. Now, that I'm at it:
Think why books like Grande and Hollywood remain bookers. Why Cascade kills in MLB. Why? Because there's always 2 sides to an arbitraging game. And you always need solid bookers to absorb your exposure.
[This message was edited by Walk of Life on October 28, 2003 at 02:33 PM.]
90% of Oly's props are as good as flipping a coin, but with a 15% hold.
I'm talking about the number "first team to ..." props.
There are a lot of great opportunity in some of the individual props, but these are far and few in between.
Oly, I'd take it as a compliment, but honestly I think they're wasting their time. I wish you start offering more quality props, as opposed to the quantity props. (such as Pin does)
I'm talking about the number "first team to ..." props.
There are a lot of great opportunity in some of the individual props, but these are far and few in between.
Oly, I'd take it as a compliment, but honestly I think they're wasting their time. I wish you start offering more quality props, as opposed to the quantity props. (such as Pin does)
Did this for years. At the Stardust in the '80s, before the offshores, we were first up with a line, every sport, every day at
8:00am just like a bank. Win or lose the day before meant 0. The other books would wait till our #s "got flattened out". They would then clone them, mabey change them a hook but they were almost painted to ours. Well, they got one sided action as the #s came the other way after being bet to the right # at our store. We could win or juice out while the other followers would lose. When we would get middled they'd say our #s were weak because they moved so much. We would win and they would lose and they would say we were lucky. We once went five straight years without a losing month. The game has certainly changed, it's probably harder to get two way action, BUT this same scene is still being played out. The big stores that book are getting bigger and the clone joints are breathing their fumes.
Another scene I purposely didn't bring up to avoid confusion: So cool. The bigs could move the # at the Stardust (they wanted us to win) then cherry pick the books all over the state on the other side.
I was glad my #s were being copied but belive me it had nothing to do with compliments. It had all to do with growing my employers br.....ScottyS
8:00am just like a bank. Win or lose the day before meant 0. The other books would wait till our #s "got flattened out". They would then clone them, mabey change them a hook but they were almost painted to ours. Well, they got one sided action as the #s came the other way after being bet to the right # at our store. We could win or juice out while the other followers would lose. When we would get middled they'd say our #s were weak because they moved so much. We would win and they would lose and they would say we were lucky. We once went five straight years without a losing month. The game has certainly changed, it's probably harder to get two way action, BUT this same scene is still being played out. The big stores that book are getting bigger and the clone joints are breathing their fumes.
Another scene I purposely didn't bring up to avoid confusion: So cool. The bigs could move the # at the Stardust (they wanted us to win) then cherry pick the books all over the state on the other side.
I was glad my #s were being copied but belive me it had nothing to do with compliments. It had all to do with growing my employers br.....ScottyS
