Anyone ever played craps in casino and recognized some sort of pattern going on.

Co-Captain · Sep 30, 2003

Aloha everyone, I was just wondering if anyone ever experienced playing Craps in the casino and you started to recognize some peculiar patterns going on. Or even worse, something like what I experienced playing Craps in one sports book 3 casinos available to wager in. s.I noticed is that some crap games, the game seems fixed. It will let you win alittle, here and there, and then all of a sudden it will eat you up no matter what side your on. Its like it is following you and knows your pattern of betting. When you switch to NO Pass, it all of a sudden has alot of sevens on the come out roll and hits an abundance of points and hardly any seven outs. Then when you go to switch to passing now , it all of a sudder has alot of craps in the come out roll and it starts to have alot of seven outs. Its like the software or system starts to meticulously and very suttly start to take your money away. There is not to many random things happening in the game , like I mentioned the game seems to have obvious patterns.

Also, did anyone ever try to fight back for your money you lost because the system wasn't at all random or it was manipulated by someone so that you eventually lose. Please share your experiences and what you did to solve the problems.

Aloha.

BowlMeOne · Oct 1, 2003

I would never play online casino..can't imagine they would be legit. Casino is entertainment...leave the house to play casino games! It should be a night out with friends having a good time..looking to get lucky..not sitting alone in front of your computer trying to overcome the edge.

good luck

wiz

GreenDoberman · Oct 1, 2003

You will always lose in the long run at craps anyway, because the house has an edge on EVERY SINGLE ROLL.
The only way to win (in the long run) is to cheat.

jateeluv · Oct 1, 2003

dude, go to www.winneronline.com and you will find that you are not alone. Alot of knowledgable people over there about the online CASINO business...much like off shore sport wagering here.

wallstreetcappers · Oct 1, 2003

The way I play online casinos craps (which I love) is to play the dont and the come for the same ammt, then pick my spots..either on the field or placing bets or putting odds behind the pass or the dont. You have to make a bet in order to roll the dice online so betting both sides allows you decent coverage. The 12 comes now and then, but rarely.

I agree though..I was playing and winning a little..and I saw that the field wasnt coming up..and I bet it a little, then a bit more, the deadly Morningdale (??) way, and I think there were 8 or 9 no fields in a row..you know what the odds of that are?? I cant imagine, but it has to be in the thousands.. All my time on real tables and I have seen that happen once. It happened to me quite easy online.

Avoid online craps, slots, black jack..they are fixed and a total joke.

PatrickMcIrish · Oct 1, 2003

The only pattern with casino's is you will be broke if you play long enough.

IntuitionBET · Oct 2, 2003

Co-Captain - Never play Craps in an Online casino.
You need to have REAL dice thrown by REAL humans for it to be CRAPS.

drunkguy · Oct 2, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patrick McIrish:
The only pattern with casino's is you will be broke if you play long enough.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cannot win in the long run at craps, If the casino software is screwing with you, then you are even worse off.

Co-Captain · Oct 5, 2003

Much Aloha for everyone who responded. I have experienced another problem with the Craps I played at another seemingly popular sportsbook. Basically what happened is, I play the no pass, and after winning a bet, I continuously would lose on the next come out roll where the seven would be rolled. I would win and sure enough another seven. This went on continuously throughout my many hours playing.

There seems to be some fishy business going on and I demanded that this book look into it and then refund my money I wagered in Craps. I'm still awaiting their response.

Co-Captain · Oct 5, 2003

Has anyone had success with the casinos refunding money sent to them because of unfair play accused by a customer. I know that they have a record of my play and what has occurred, which will clearly see that something isn't right. I am hoping they agree with my demand for a refund and not tell me that I was just unlucky.

Sodium Pentethol V · Oct 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyone ever played craps in casino and recognized some sort of pattern going on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep everytime, the massive stacks the house keeps in the middle of the table, always get bigger not smaller.

TheGeneral+ · Oct 5, 2003

Good luck Co-Captain. I doubt you will get any payback, maybe a kickback of sort for asking. Can't hurt to try.

wallstreetcappers · Oct 5, 2003

Co-Captain..

No way they refund..zero chance.

If you want to avoid this, do what I mentioned above..play both pass and dont on the come out..the only risk you have is the 12, which wont come very often and is worth the loss over the long run. Then lay odds on your dont when you like the point to go against, and play the DO when you like the point on the opposite side.

If you are trying to play the dont as you say, this will help the situation.

Java · Oct 5, 2003

CoCaptain-

Do you know what software is being used? Someone here may know if that particular software is designed for the casino to rig the game.

I know that when I have programmed games of chance, like craps, the program generates the numbers as randomly as possible. There is no tracking of your plays and rigging the dice.

However, in this business, there are plenty of operators that would alter the dice from true-random if the software permitted it.

Java · Oct 5, 2003

If you really suspect they are cheating, you would need to record the results of a few hundred rolls under each strategy. There are statistical methods that can determine whether or not the dice outcome are indeed random.

PatrickMcIrish · Oct 5, 2003

CoCaptain - the casino won? Somethings fishy alright. Most players take the casino for all they can carry.

Keep us posted on that refund sir.

WEEKENDALKI · Oct 5, 2003

I have noticed a very interesting pattern. It is basically one where every time i play in an online casino, i have less money than when i started. that is not a pattern that i can say i really like.

Railbird · Oct 6, 2003

Online casinos cant afford to have loose slots like Vegas can. Online casinos are ran by criminals and arent regualted.

drunkguy · Oct 6, 2003

I can't see why online casinos would even try to scam you. Look at the real casinos in Vegas..they have no problem making money. Now think about an online casino which avoids all the overhead like comps, dealers, security, maintenance, etc, etc. They can make a goddamn fortune just playing "by the rules" why they would risk scamming someone is far beyond me...

BillDozer · Oct 6, 2003

I won 2k at a certian casino playing one day for hours on end. The game was black jack and i bet 1 buck every hand and when I got certain combos thrown to me that told me when it was my turn to get winning hands. I would win on 5- ratio but my wins were in bunches. Everytime i got a BJ there was another coming right after that 50% of the time and always within the next 4 hands...so you can beat the online casino more times than the real one i thnk depending on the number generating software.
It was always completely obvious when they werent gonna let me win and when I was gonna get my face cards. There was no point in doubling down or splitting when the cards were way in my favor because the house would pull out miracle draws but when it was my turn I stayed on an eleven and the dealer would show a 10 and bust everytime. You'll eventually get kicked off or to the point where my account seemed to be tripped somehow. I could never get a winning hand in a row after I won a certian amount. I wish I could learn more about the software but couldnt dig up anything.
GL (for the most part stay outta there though)