Rescind bonuses?

bettor1 · Apr 4, 2001

Sportsbook A has a policy that one has to have an active account for 30 days and wager n times (five times if memory serves) the amount of the original deposit, prior to withdrawing any funds (winnings included) upon pain of haveing the bonus rescinded if conditions are not met.

Sportsbook A also has an inactive account for player P1 and has told player P1 that he is welcome to reup and get a reup bonus, have his friends, relatives, or associates come in and while they would get a new account bonus player P1 will receive a referal bonus for referring them. One caveat, player P1 was told way back in the past (over a year ago), that all wagers by any of his referals have to be placed by the account holder, not player P1, (Player P1 cannot call in any wagers on behalf of others).

OK, still with me. New account, Player B, opens an account with the sports book. Player B uses Player C as a referal. Player B wagers the required n times the original depoist to earn the bonus but has yet to meet the 30 day requirement.

On day 29, of the 30 day requirement, player B is notified that all bonuses, player B's new account bonus and player C's referal bonus will be rescinded because player P1 has called in a few bets on behalf of player B.

Player B was never told that he couldn't have someone else call in bets for him. Both bonuses are deducted from the account balance of Player B and the balance is sent out.

Question - did the sports book do the right thing by taking back the bonuses of Players B and C, because they were associated with and Player P1 called in a few wagers on behalf of player B?

Should the sports book have told player B not to have anyone else place wagers on his behalf, and allowed him to continue, or to penaliaze him as it did by deducting both bonuses from his account and send him on his way. The referal bonus was deducted from Players B's account because Player C had lost his entire account balance and therefore it couldn't be taken from Player C directly.

Though I don't know the rational of the sportsbook in question, I assume that they rationalized that it was o.k. to take all bonus money because all the players were really part of one group.

Just curious as to this forum's opinions on this matter?

Bucky · Apr 4, 2001

I'll bet a 100 bucks I know who you are talking about. Ask them if they would take a look at the forum on the Prescription to view the answers and would they be willing to have the situation arbitrated. You don't think this is fair treatment.

Be sure to mention you have not used the sports book's name and are only interested in what is just.

There is some grey area here I am not sure of. The toughest part being Player A knew of the rule but Player B did not. The books would like to be attracting long term customers and for some reason they could foresee that this account would be cashed in at the end of the 30 days by the customer.

As far as a solution - if I was Player B I would ask if I could send the money back in and be put back to right where the account was before the money was sent out. Play Baseball for the summer and if you take a payout don't dip into the original principal and bonus - just any winnings. You know- show them you are not just there for the bonus - Good luck.

[This message was edited by Bucky on 04-04-01 at 09:29 PM.]

dman · Apr 4, 2001

BETTOR1 is an out right theif. AS you have seen I am not done with you yet.

dman

[This message was edited by THE SHRINK on September 30, 2003 at 06:02 PM.]

BugBear · Apr 4, 2001

Does anyone even understand what smart/bettor1 is trying to say. Ease up on the legalise if you please and get to the point. Who got stiffed here? Player A,B,C, P1!?! Get some new material dude, we've heard this song and dance before and it sounds like your shows been cancelled

dman · Apr 4, 2001

bettor1 has ripped me for $26,500 now in charge backs. I GAVE HIM THE DAMN BONUSES. And PAID his cards back. Now any book out there wants the details email me. interdave16@hotmail.com

seems to NO NAMES PLEASE THAT CAN BE IDETIFIED!! that service is rendered only when he wins.

dman

[This message was edited by THE SHRINK on September 30, 2003 at 06:02 PM.]

krackman · Apr 4, 2001

What I want to know is ARE YOU THIS STUPID??? DO YOU THINK YOU CAN INSULT THIS FORUM'S INTELLIGENCE? "P1 has called in a few bets on behalf of player B"

Come on why can't you just say all accounts are yours just under different people's names? You see this is why I get so mad because people like this are eventually going to ruin the bonuses for EVERYONE.. Yes I enjoy bonuses ...And when I get one I continue to play with the book under that account rolling over the $ hundereds of times. But Morse you do this to make a living and are a bonus hunter by trade so therefore when you switch names and not voices when you get caught IT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY...

At least I will give you credit for posting under bettor1 and not using a dummy name.

dman · Apr 4, 2001

AND THANKS to the sports books that Froze ALL his funds on the becuase of his CHARGE BACK ACTIVITIES with me.

DAVID finding it tough to find and OUT. IF I CAN HELP IT YOU WILL.....

DMAN

SEEING YA SOON....

Bucky · Apr 4, 2001

What have you got to say about dman's post?

krackman · Apr 6, 2001

Things that make you go Hmmmmm....

Halifax · Sep 29, 2003

Do a search of previous posts for our friend "bettor1" if you want to get a better picture on what is probably transpiring with his case against e-winner.

TTinCO · Sep 29, 2003

I love it.....just another pro scammer.

Nice find Hali

Java · Sep 29, 2003

Halifax-
EXCELLENT catch! You know, I didn't even realize this was a post of his from 2.5 years ago. I thought I was reading a crazy description of the current EWinner situation.

This shows that bettor1 has had "experience" with the whole "duplicate account" situation before.

Combined with the EWinner info, sounds like this guy should be thrown out. If the name "David Morse" is indeed correct, all the sportsbooks should be checking not only for him, but his referrals and any agents common to either.

Just the other day, I was discussing the issue of players that get "Agent" accounts, but fill them with players that are really only themselves. This would be an attempt to "wager at a discount".

Looking worse and worse for Bettor1.

(Should have known this when JJ was threatening EWinner. How often is JJ right?)

sqrchris · Sep 29, 2003

Wow Bettor1, you must have some bad luck with picking books.....

bettor1 posted September 15, 2000 10:45 PM
Terrific, kudos to The Prescription. Now do you think you can help me to recover my $50+k from those crooks at TNT / Pyramid.net

The Prescription has had such an enormous impact on helping to resolve this dispute, I hold out hope they may be able to help me. Three cheers for The Prescription
Posts: 108 | Registered: August 10, 2000

posted January 16, 2001 10:19 PM
What is the political / legal system like in Costa Rica? Is it equitable and fair as it allegedly is here in the U.S.A., or is it rife with corruption and payoffs?
I would appreciate feedback from those of you who have some real insight about these specific conditions prevailing in C.R., as I've never been there and am seriously thinking about travelling to C.R. to pursue a legal claim against an unscrupulous sports book which ripped me off.

I don't want to go into details as I know regular visitors are well aware of the rippoff from past posts.

I'm just interested in getting some feedback on what I can expect when I go to C.R.

Do you believe that a plaintiff from the U.S.A. has a good chance of winning a legal complaint against an allegedly politically connected sports book which has stolen his money.

What, if any, are the downsides. I know here in the U.S.A. an action is usually followed by a counter action (counter compliant), regardless of whether their is merit to the counter complaint or not.

I would prefer feedback from posters with knowldege as opposed to just bias.

Thanks in advance

posted February 05, 2001 07:14 AM
First I would like to thank DMan for bringing the fabrication (the thread titled BOOKS BEWARE OF SCAMMER) to reader's of this forum's attention. This fabrication by our formerly well respected DMan clearly brings to light how necessary a fair trial, complete with cross examination, is to try to arrive at the truth. Readers, including the Shrink, who claims to try to get the facts, have, for the most part, already hung me out to dry, complete with fresh neck wounds.
I deny the allegations in DMan's thread!

DMan believes I owe him $4000.

DMan agreed to help me, about two weeks ago, to get $9000 from a slow pay sports book of which he knows the owners, $4000 of which would have been his, after I received my $5000.

I am still working to get my funds from this slow pay sports book, deliberately attempting to lose to them (winning somewhere else) as a means of getting paid.

Principal funds, winnings, and bonuses have been stolen from me by various sports books including TNT, and Fortress, and bonuses have been stolen from me by various other sports books, in my short (less than two years,) participating in sports arbitrage.

The most recent swindle perpetuated upon me and my friends was someone calling in on three different accounts with pins and passwords and placing the remaining account balances on the Giants about twenty minutes before Super Bowl. I don't want to wax philosophically, but I have a feeling that if the Giants had won, I would have found three Ravens bets had been placed.

The sports books have been no help whatsoever, they take the position that they have a pin and p.w. on tape and I have to suffer the losses.

I know that the p.w. security breach was not on my end.

When DMan called yesterday, to inquire about the $4000, I, in my undiplomatic but straightforward manner, told him I had $14075 stolen from me and I though he had something to do with it.

His response was a "I'm through f____ing around now!" and hung up the phone.

He then dreamed up the story he told in this forum to get back at me.

Now you, dear readers, have both sides of the story

nets2k2 · Sep 29, 2003

Wow great job Halifax!

Scoob · Sep 30, 2003

Nice work Halifax! This guy is obviously a scammer and ewinner shouldnt pay him anything.

TTinCO · Sep 30, 2003

So does that mean that "all of a sudden" this book isn't 20K in the hole and is not doomed for failure?

PanchoSanza · Sep 30, 2003

Start confiscating the entire account balance, thats the only thing that will stop this crap.

I doubt anyone has tried to get over at SIA after they took that IWIN scammers balance.

max1234 · Sep 30, 2003

It seems like the opinion of this forum is that professional bonus whores are basically ruining the system for the legitimate gamblers.

Halifax · Sep 30, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by max1234:
It seems like the opinion of this forum is that professional bonus whores are basically ruining the system for the legitimate gamblers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would refine this to:

"The '10-account per book guys' are putting bonuses at risk for the legit '1-account per book guys'."

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Most legit guys are more than happy to receive a bonus from a book - it's part of the total package that a book offers to its customers.

Unfortunately for our bottom line, we restrict ourselves to one account per book, and would appreciate a level playing field ... not to mention the fact that books that pay bonuses to the "10-account guys" inevitably become a higher credit risk for the legit "1-account" post-up players.

Java · Sep 30, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by max1234:
It seems like the opinion of this forum is that professional bonus whores are basically ruining the system for the legitimate gamblers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Max-
It's not not only the bonus whoring, but also the evasion of wager limits. One account per player (or group/financial interest).

Also, from this guy's history, he has been pulling this multiple account crap for years. he's not some innocent lamb... oh, gee, I didn't realize that placing a bet for a friend might be a problem.

See, it's one thing to come to the forums with legitimate coincidence when a book has ruled against you. It is quite another matter when you act all innocent, while you intentionally tried to circumvent the book's policies.

urge the books to look for accounts under the name given above by Dman ("). You'll probably find a string of "referals" and betting patterns that will make you go hmmmm.

Also, check for the IP addresses provided by EWinner in their response.

Of course, each book has to make its own determination if there is a duplicate account problem. My suggestion is only to point them in the direction indicated by the clues given by Dman and EWinner.

[This message was edited by THE SHRINK on September 30, 2003 at 06:00 PM.]