Two inaccuaracies have been called to my attention regarding my posted reply to the other two EWinner threads. In my post I said that the deleted wagers caused me to win
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
The correction to the above is simply tnet win should be replaced with net loss. I didn't lose the $970 that I would have lost had the Detroit game not been deleted and I didn't win the $1440 that I would have won had the Indians game not been deleted. Result is a net "loss" of $470.
The second correction has to dod with the staement that the refereed customer, a friend, had explicit permission to use my computer to wager. The referred customer had explicit permission to use my computer to open the account. I inferred that because Corby welcomed my action and because the referred customer had explicit permission to "open the account" using my computer, that it would be ok for my friend to place wagers also. I had specifically discusssed like wagers and limits with Corby and was assured that they were welcomed.
With even the slighest wrning or hint I could have easily refused my friend permission to use my computer and the wagers would have been called in.
The full original post follows:
From September 19, to present, I utilized my account. My account balance
beginning September 26, 2003, was $2730.
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
Rule number #3, hidden away in fine print, (I ask readers to go and find
EWinner's rules), on a separate pop up message box at EWinner reads:
"3. A member may have only ONE account. The Company reserves the right to
close or disable a member's account without notice in cases where the
Company, at its sole discretion, deems this appropriate. Only the initial
deposit will be refunded on all accounts."
I learned of the above when I checked my email, around 7:30 p.m. after the
games has started. This is what the email I received from EWinner stated:
"It has recently come to our attention during a routine security check that
you have been betting with multiple accounts all using the exact same IP
address. This is a direct violation that we take very seriously, we are
committed to operating under a stable financial environment and expect our
players to honor the limits posted on our website and to abide by the terms
agreed to by both parties. Your initial deposit will be refunded unless your
withdrawals have been greater than your initial deposit in which case all
remaining funds will be forfeited.
EWINNER Customer Service"
I immediately called Cory, EWinners account manager and asked about the
above. Cory told me he deleted the wagers and wouldn't reinstate them
because I placed wagers in the past for the referred account holder using my computer. I did!
He said my brother's account wasn't in question, only the referred
customers. He wasn't aware that I discussed the ip address issues with
customer service at account opening of the referred customer. Cory said he
would go to bat for me with owners regarding the reopening of our accounts,
and that I should call him in the morning. I again requested that the
wagers be reinstated, and was refused. I told him I would call in the
morning about my account.
It appears to me that Cory is the one making the decisions as it is Cory who
decided to delete the wagers. I believe it is in fact Cory making the
decisions regarding this matter and saying that he has to speak to the
owners is in fact only "passing the buck" and getting ready to use a good
guy (Cory) bad guy (owners) scenario to defraud me and my friend of our
account balances.
I'm afraid that my friend and I are going to be victims of the so called
wise guy rule and hereby ask for any help which may be forthcoming and give
warning to others about EWinner and their sister book Sirbet.
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
The correction to the above is simply tnet win should be replaced with net loss. I didn't lose the $970 that I would have lost had the Detroit game not been deleted and I didn't win the $1440 that I would have won had the Indians game not been deleted. Result is a net "loss" of $470.
The second correction has to dod with the staement that the refereed customer, a friend, had explicit permission to use my computer to wager. The referred customer had explicit permission to use my computer to open the account. I inferred that because Corby welcomed my action and because the referred customer had explicit permission to "open the account" using my computer, that it would be ok for my friend to place wagers also. I had specifically discusssed like wagers and limits with Corby and was assured that they were welcomed.
With even the slighest wrning or hint I could have easily refused my friend permission to use my computer and the wagers would have been called in.
The full original post follows:
From September 19, to present, I utilized my account. My account balance
beginning September 26, 2003, was $2730.
On September 26, 2003, around noon est. time, I placed two internet wagers,
one on the Detroit Tigers to win, + 160, $970 to win $1552, and the second
on the Cleveland Indians to win, + 140, $1000 to win $1440. Detroit lost
and Cleveland won, for a net win of $470, which I am told I have forfeited,
and have had my account closed and my entire balance forfeited, along with
the two above wagers cancelled as per rule #3. The referred customer's
account was also closed.
Rule number #3, hidden away in fine print, (I ask readers to go and find
EWinner's rules), on a separate pop up message box at EWinner reads:
"3. A member may have only ONE account. The Company reserves the right to
close or disable a member's account without notice in cases where the
Company, at its sole discretion, deems this appropriate. Only the initial
deposit will be refunded on all accounts."
I learned of the above when I checked my email, around 7:30 p.m. after the
games has started. This is what the email I received from EWinner stated:
"It has recently come to our attention during a routine security check that
you have been betting with multiple accounts all using the exact same IP
address. This is a direct violation that we take very seriously, we are
committed to operating under a stable financial environment and expect our
players to honor the limits posted on our website and to abide by the terms
agreed to by both parties. Your initial deposit will be refunded unless your
withdrawals have been greater than your initial deposit in which case all
remaining funds will be forfeited.
EWINNER Customer Service"
I immediately called Cory, EWinners account manager and asked about the
above. Cory told me he deleted the wagers and wouldn't reinstate them
because I placed wagers in the past for the referred account holder using my computer. I did!
He said my brother's account wasn't in question, only the referred
customers. He wasn't aware that I discussed the ip address issues with
customer service at account opening of the referred customer. Cory said he
would go to bat for me with owners regarding the reopening of our accounts,
and that I should call him in the morning. I again requested that the
wagers be reinstated, and was refused. I told him I would call in the
morning about my account.
It appears to me that Cory is the one making the decisions as it is Cory who
decided to delete the wagers. I believe it is in fact Cory making the
decisions regarding this matter and saying that he has to speak to the
owners is in fact only "passing the buck" and getting ready to use a good
guy (Cory) bad guy (owners) scenario to defraud me and my friend of our
account balances.
I'm afraid that my friend and I are going to be victims of the so called
wise guy rule and hereby ask for any help which may be forthcoming and give
warning to others about EWinner and their sister book Sirbet.
