Schwarzenegger to Make Rare Appearance in nationally-televised Candidate Debate tonight

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Oh, man, this has GOTTA be good! I'll have to switch back and forth between the Cubbies game though, but at least there's no football on ...

btw - you Californians must feel like shit over this whole screwed-up affair - my sympathies ... but the Floridians are surely grateful for you having taken the election heat off them
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The major candidates in the California gubernatorial recall election are scheduled to appear in a nationally-televised debate Wednesday night in Sacramento.

Taking part will be actor Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (search), state Sen. Tom McClintock (search), independent Arianna Huffington (search) and Green Party candidate Peter Camejo (search).

A full panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (search) on Tuesday reinstated the vote's original timetable, removing uncertainty that threatened to kill the momentum of the compressed campaign and lose the interest of voters.

The decision put even more pressure on the candidates appearing Wednesday night at the only nationally televised debate in which front-runner actor Arnold Schwarzenegger (search) was scheduled to appear.

At other forums, Schwarzenegger's absence has been the focus of sniping by contestants. An empty chair with his name on it has been used to signify the missing celebrity.

Critics have complained about the format of Wednesday's debate since the 12 voter questions that will be asked have already been made public. Organizers said there will be ample time for give-and-take about each question.

The looming debate came even as candidates sharpened their attacks.

In an essay published Wednesday on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, Schwarzenegger wrote that Davis "has created a counterproductive culture in Sacramento where businesses and entrepreneurs that dare make a profit are treated as if they are enemies of the state." He referred to Bustamante as "Gray Davis - The Sequel" and said the two Democrats have created "an endless litany of taxing schemes."

He and Bustamante also have aired negative television ads in recent days.

After Schwarzenegger released a campaign ad Monday attacking Bustamante and McClintock for taking money from Indian gambling interests, Bustamante responded with an ad Tuesday accusing Schwarzenegger of being out of touch with common people.

"Arnold doesn't share our values. He won't fight for our health care, our neighborhoods, our jobs. He doesn't live in our world. He lives on Planet Hollywood (search)," Bustamante said of the wealthy actor.

Schwarzenegger, after a question-and-answer session in Sacramento, defended his ads. "You cannot represent the people of California if you take money, millions of dollars from the Indians," he said.

Bustamante said later that Schwarzenegger should not criticize him because the actor took Indian contributions during his initiative campaign to fund after-school programs.

"It seems very hypocritical that he is attacking tribal governments when just a year ago he was having a fund-raiser in San Diego and raised $62,000," Bustamante said.

McClintock, meanwhile, continued to ignore calls to step aside or risk splitting the GOP vote. The state senator is in the race "not only to the finish line - we intend to seek re-election to the governorship," said campaign director John Feliz.

In the court ruling Tuesday, the judges unanimously decided that the risk some votes might go uncounted on Oct. 7 was overshadowed by the heavy costs in time and money that have already been pored into the campaign.

The decision overturned last week's ruling by three of the most liberal judges on the court. They had argued the election should be postponed until six counties can install new voting machines so that millions of California voters wouldn't have to use the infamous punch card ballots that tarnished the 2000 presidential election.

The American Civil Liberties Union (search), which had sought a postponement until March, said it would not appeal Tuesday's decision to the U.S. Supreme Court, removing the final legal roadblock to the recall.

Davis, who campaigned with Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, said Tuesday he was pleased with the full court's ruling.

"I think we have the momentum. I think we should strike while the iron is hot. I think people are deciding as the date narrows, the date is around the corner, that this is not good for California, it's not good for our future and I'd rather have the election now," Davis said.

In other developments Tuesday:

- According to a new economic report, California's economy is improving and should continue to do so gradually over the next year, but the state won't see a significant recovery in terms of new jobs until 2005. The report, by UCLA Anderson Forecast (search), projected it will take two years for the state's economy to generate a combined 3.2 percent job growth, compared with the 3.5 percent job growth in 2000.

- Republican state Sen. Jim Brulte (search), the Senate minority leader, announced his support for Schwarzenegger, saying the former bodybuilder was a "fresh face" and the only candidate formidable enough to beat Bustamante. San Diego County's five supervisors also endorsed the actor.
 

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The "debate" is bogus. The candidates all have the questions in advance, so Arnold will just be reading from a script. He may pretend to ad-lib a few one-liners, but the whole thing will pretty lame.
 

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Also on MSNBC - methinks Fox was being disingenuos in posting this was 'nationally televised', since I don't see it on any of the big 4 networks - so now 'nationally' is defined by cable networks - lol - what a brave new world indeed!
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glad i wont be watching this sub ape, closet homo, ex german nobody.
 

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Come on, Jack, Bustamante ain't German! Cut him some slack
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19 minutes until we find out the answers to the 12 questions - man, I am PUMPED!!!

1 - what is your first name?
2 - do you support the right to arm bears?
3 - do you like flowers?
4 - what is the IQ of the person to your immediate right? No, your other right?
5 - does Jello come in more than one color?
6 - Easter celebrates the birth of an important person - which of the following was it?

a ... Osama Bin Laden
b ... Saddam Hussein
c ... Mohammed
d ... Johnny Unitas

7 - if you were in a hot tub with 4 underage girls, which of the following would you do first?

a ... order them out of the tub and call their parents to pick them up
b ... offer them rufies, bang them until dawn and sell the video on the black market
c ... deny you were ever in the hot tub to begin with
d ... blame it on Ecstacy

8 - have you known anyone in your immediate family to have participated in the Nazi party during WWII? warning - keg parties don't count

9 - what is your first name?

10 - what is your stance on illegal immigrants - meaning, do you actually believe there are any in California?

11 - do you like puppies?

12 - who will you vote for in the Oct. 7 recall election, and give reasons why?
 

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1 - what is your first name? Pete
2 - do you support the right to arm bears? Yes
3 - do you like flowers? No
4 - what is the IQ of the person to your immediate right? No, your other right? 80
5 - does Jello come in more than one color? Yes
6 - Easter celebrates the birth of an important person - which of the following was it?

a ... Osama Bin Laden
b ... Saddam Hussein
c ... Mohammed
d ... Johnny Unitas

Not sure

7 - if you were in a hot tub with 4 underage girls, which of the following would you do first?

a ... order them out of the tub and call their parents to pick them up
b ... offer them rufies, bang them until dawn and sell the video on the black market
c ... deny you were ever in the hot tub to begin with
d ... blame it on Ecstacy

Write in: Cook dinner

8 - have you known anyone in your immediate family to have participated in the Nazi party during WWII? warning - keg parties don't count No

9 - what is your first name? Pete

10 - what is your stance on illegal immigrants - meaning, do you actually believe there are any in California? Welcome, but pay taxes like all other americans

11 - do you like puppies? No

12 - who will you vote for in the Oct. 7 recall election, and give reasons why? Do not vote, unless against Bush

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Sorry jazz, but I think this one is headed to the politics forum. LOL
 

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You should run, General, you'd be a shoo-in - the dead giveaway is that you got your first name right TWICE - I doubt these people will - later, time for cabbage-tossing at the big-screen
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First opinion: Butamante is a well-oiled, smooth-talking politician interested in the job - and he is desperately trying to appear to be 'gubernatorial' - reasonable to all extremes
 

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you're right, D2 - a lot better than I expected!

Observation #2 - I will never move to California. The people running it, or at least aspiring to, are just way too fuc-ked up for me to risk my living in. Even the moderator has a damn agenda
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The black horseman of the Book of Revelation speaks of a condition wherein a man's daily wages are so poor, he can barely support himself, much less his family.

For the first time in the history of mankind we are seeing a condition which could fulfill that prophecy: global monetary inflation.

When economic "experts" talk about inflation, they mean a rise in the prices of commodities we buy.

According to Grolier's On-line Encyclopedia:

Inflation is a process in which the average level of prices increases at a substantial rate over a considerable period of time. In short, more money is required to buy a given amount of goods and services...1

That definition is incorrect, but it does represent a subtle change the economic establishment has inserted into American thinking.

The definition of inflation in Webster's 1957 New 20th-Century Unabridged Dictionary of English Language is more accurate:

Inflation: an increase in the amount of currency in circulation, resulting in a relatively sharp and sudden fall in its value and a rise in prices.2

Inflation is an increase in the total amount of money in the supply, which results in a rise in prices.

By changing definitions, the public has been conned into thinking inflation is the result of market pressures rather than monetary pressures caused by an expanding and confiscatory money supply.

This makes it difficult for people to understand what causes inflation and what it does to them in terms of their earning power.

Inflation is a massive, hidden tax imposed on citizens without their understanding or consent.

The Nature of Inflation

Suppose you earn $10 for something you sold or a service you performed. You receive a $10 bill in exchange for your work. It represents the value of your hard work. It also means that at current market prices, your $10 will buy x amount of goods.

Along comes government, which prints another $10 bill. It looks just like yours and spends just like yours. The only difference is that government did nothing to create its $10. Remember, you had to work for yours.

Your $10 just became worth $5, but you probably didn't feel anything - as you would if someone just stole $5 from you.

At first, both $10 bills buy the same amount of goods. But after awhile, merchants notice there is more money "out there" and with it, more demand for their products. So they raise their prices.

Suddenly, your $10 is worth $5 less than it was before - all while you stood there holding it!

Remember, it is not the products and services which have become worth more; the currency is worth less than it was before.

A Lifetime of Loss

Keynesian economic pundits regularly thump the drum that inflation is a normal part of a healthy economy. This is false. It only exists when a monetary system has no sound base.

We are also told that the boom/bust cycle is a normal part of all economic activity. It isn't. It's only part of an inflating money supply, and today that inflation is worldwide.

Inflation continually erodes the value of money we hold. We must constantly keep our money moving in order to make more money before its value deteriorates as well.

Economists say inflation between 3% and 5% is normal to moderate - a sign of a healthy, expanding economy. But let's assume 5% inflation over the lifetime of an individual. That 5% devaluation applies not only to the money earned this year, but to all money saved from previous years.

At the end of year one, a dollar is worth 95 cents. At the end of year two, 95 cents is reduced again by 5%, being worth 90 cents and so on.

By the time a person has worked 20 years, government will have confiscated by inflation 64% of every dollar the person saved over those years - not by taxes but by inflation.

By the time he has worked 45 years, the hidden tax will be 90%. The government will take virtually everything a person saves over his entire lifetime, not counting what he will pay in income taxes!

Inflation destroys faith in government and sets social classes against each other. It forces everyone to run faster and faster, take on additional jobs etc., just to stay par.

Inflation clobbers the poor hardest, since they have little playing room with their money. They are joined each year by more members of the productive middle class who are wiped out by the ravages of inflation, at a rate of only 5% a year.

Who Benefits from Inflation?

In an inflationary environment, wealth is neither created nor destroyed. It is simply transferred from the people who actually produce goods and services to those who print the "funny money."

Those who get funny money first - usually government - win. Those who get it last lose.

Governments inflate to fund their operations, whether they be socialistic spending programs as in the case of western governments or military as in the case of dictatorships, all of which are more than eagerly financed by the global banking establishment; there is no honor among thieves.

An understanding of global inflation is the key to understanding the situation that the Bible speaks of in the end times. For the first time in the history of the world, inflation is a universal phenomenon with all currencies tied together.

By this mechanism a government can operate entirely without taxes. The lifetime economic output of every human being in the world is now at its disposal.
 
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All I want to know is...Where is Gary Coleman and Terrell Ownens???? Why arent they on this riveting drama...

What a joke, CNN, and FOX covering this crap like it means anything to anyone but the people who live in California!
 

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This was a debate straight outta Hollywood.

Looking forward to tomorrow's Democratic debate from Wall Street on CNBC. Now that should be good stuff.
 

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Fascinating theatre, really.

#1 - McClintock. Only one to unapologetically state his positions and give specifics, and did so without appearing to be a damn fruitcake.

#2 - Ahnold. I wouldn't vote for him if I suffered the misfortune of living in CA, but he was articulate enough and vague enough to qualify as a politician.

#3 - Bustamante. Even if oily, people still like oil in their salads, so he might still be ringing the right bell with a lot of CA voters, namely non-conservatives. But he was far too agreeable with everybody else, he reminded me of someone desperately eager to agree with everyone - fuc-k that, I want someone who stands on their own opinions and isn't always trying to compromise.

#4 and #5, tied - Huffington and the Green Party member: Mr. Socialist Green struck the same note all night, tax the rich, and Huffington huffed and puffed at Ahnuld and seemed absolutely fixated on tearing him down.


If I was forced to vote for anyone, it would be McClintock. And yes, the lame asshole debate 'moderator' was pathetic - he loved the limelight and had no hesitation in even posing at one time his OWN question - absolutely pathetic. Also was impressed by the one-sidedness of the audience - great job, assholes, it really influenced me by your enthusiastic applause for the one candidate you favored and the other you didn't.

God, thank you for not making me live in California
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