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Damn right there is. I'm far from an expert but I would guess I am pretty close with these observations. For starters just about every shop has at least two sets of lines. In fact some probably have many more, wise, superwise, syndicate, square, clown etc.... I can personally verify they deal clown lines to us clowns, LOL.
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I would guess most places use at least two standards or main guidelines and they add or subtract from there. Sharp (wise) and square. For instance if you are painted as wise you will get the Don Best consensus. And by the way to be painted with wise lines the definition can be as loose as having "multiple outs". You don't have to beat anyone big to be dealt wiseguy lines. If they know you can shop prices that will put you in the sharp category all by itself. During baseball if you are painted wise you will always get a middle of the road price, never the highest or the lowest on screen. For everyone other than wise you get general lines and maybe get tweaked here or there as they get a feel for your play.

Anyway I have never worked off shore so maybe others can verify this or add to this information. Nothing usually creates more silence from a book than a topic like this. LOL. They all do it but no one wants to discuss it publicly, LOL. Can't say I blame them as some players think dual lines are unethical. They feel being profiled is not fair. I guess I am somewhere in the middle. If a book offers you a line than you have the option of playing it or not. If they offer you a line and then change it based on what side you want that is unethical. Regardless of what we think personally dealing different sets of lines to different players are part of the business and is here to stay.
 

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100% Correct.........Even TRUTHTELLER can tell ya where he works deals 2 stes of lines, as well as the rest.
 

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BOWMANS is the first one that comes to my mind.

Thanks Patrick.
 

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I have a "few" outs. Have absolutely no evidence of any of them dealing multiple lines. In particular,

(1) many of them (eg., wsex, cris, pinnacle) allow you to check their lines on the www without logging in (so how could they knwo who you are?) AND they always read the same odds as displayed on the www when I call in
(2) all of my outs have the same line 90% of the time
 

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Call a book and try to get their lines before you give them your account number. Ever wonder why that is? Why not give you the lines then if you decide to bet take your account number? The lines are the same for everyone right?
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Duals,
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Bodog
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what did everyone see on the SJST 2nd half total at the half at OLYMPIC?

I was seeing something different than a friend of mine. Sustained and after the surge.
 

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wwts and pinnacle have different numbers on their login screen than if you sign in and I've heard bodog gives different lines. MOre outs the better.

I personally dont care what they give me as long as I get something. It could be in my favor on that particular day. A dime line or a 20 cent line is just that regardless.

I see it the same as books giving bad lines. If i bite at what im offered thats that and if the books offer it and it is what it is thats that as well, GOes both ways.
 

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Dual Lines:

Bowmans
bet365
VIP
gameday
Players superbook
Sportbet

No dual lines

CRIS
OLY
GRANDE
WSEX
 

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The boook I am most familar with (from the inside) always had two lines: Public and Wiseguy. They used to report the Wiseguy to DonBest premium, but when they switched to the free Island Express they transmitted the Public-line (figuring only a square would use the free/delayed service over the premium feed). I think I've seen them claim in a post they that never dealt two lines, but in fact, they have always dealt two lines.

The classic explanation for dealing the Public line was often: Notre Dame fans will bet Notre Dame -3 even when the sharp line is Notre Dame +3.

That said, most of the time the Public and Wiseguy matched, but depending where the money stood and how repected a bettor was, dual lines did exist, especially when games moved on information not available to the public.
 

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This could be a good test by having diff posters post the lines they see if we really want to get into it
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Thanks Java. General there is no doubt it happens. In fact I was contacted by books who spoke on it as well. Sometimes they may just use it (different lines) for situations like dealing with the 3. Staying on 3 and moving the juice rather than going to 3.5 etc.... All about exposure.

And of course who's calling.....
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thepres said:
Are you saying that the www lines suddenly change when you log in ...

Yes.

Books that show lines without being logged in and then the lines change when you log in are definitely dealing dual lines and you are getting the sharp line. This is definitive proof. If the lines don't change then you can't conclude they don't deal dual lines. Sometimes its only a few games and sometimes the lines are the same.

I have never seen this happen at Bet365 so maybe I'm still getting a square line or people reporting dual lines are mistaken.
 

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I thought someone had stolen my password when I saw this thread, I didn't even remember making it, then I saw the date. How Bud dug this one out I will never know.

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