Are Multiple Books as bad as Multiple Accounts?

HateTheRiverCard · Sep 15, 2003

I'd like to get some feedback from you guys on a topic that came up this weekend as I sat down with a friend discussing the offshore business.

Are Sportsbooks that open up additional shops as guilty of ruining the offshore industry as are players that open multiple accounts with a book. In case you're not clear on what I mean. Hypothetically if XYZ SPORTSBOOK also opens up ABC & DEF SPORTSBOOKS and offer up great sign up bonuses i.e. 40-50%, aren't they just as guilty of diluting and further damaging the offshore industry?

On a personal level, I believe that anyone with a multiply account at a book is a bonus whore, hunter or whatever you would like to call them and any book that start up so called "Sister companies" are books that may need post up cash and are definitely STAY AWAY books.

Any thoughts?

VG789 · Sep 15, 2003

Sportingbet is that kind of book,they have a shitload of sister bookies that would do their best to avoid paying you

jjgold · Sep 15, 2003

I am against sister companies because they lose control and customer service dimishes and if you have a problem it is like going through a maze to solve it.

Fishhead · Sep 15, 2003

Very interesting theory. Hope we get lots of feedback on this one.

Chadster · Sep 15, 2003

hey there genious

in your case

the owner of the book has chosen not to pay u until funds have been verified wherever they may be

not sportingbet

Dante · Sep 15, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HateTheRiverCard:
I'd like to get some feedback from you guys on a topic that came up this weekend as I sat down with a friend discussing the offshore business.

Are Sportsbooks that open up additional shops as guilty of ruining the offshore industry as are players that open multiple accounts with a book. In case you're not clear on what I mean. Hypothetically if _XYZ SPORTSBOOK_ also opens up _ABC & DEF SPORTSBOOKS_ and offer up great sign up bonuses i.e. 40-50%, aren't they just as guilty of diluting and further damaging the offshore industry?

On a personal level, I believe that anyone with a multiply account at a book is a bonus whore, hunter or whatever you would like to call them and any book that start up so called "Sister companies" are books that may need post up cash and are definitely STAY AWAY books.

Any thoughts?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not think this is the same thing as multiple accounts . If I sign up at Oly and Bet Jm for example, im not doing it to scam , maybe im doing because Bet Jm has 10cent lines but its not to scam bonus money as if there were mult accounts at the greek for example

so no I think its TOTALLY different IMO

VG789 · Sep 15, 2003

"We have been online and taking wagers since 1997. As of June 2001, LinesMaker has used the services of Sportingbet PLC, a UK company which is publicly traded on the AIM on the London Stock Exchange"

Sister company.All of sudden they are slow payers,just like the mother company.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>the owner of the book has chosen not to pay u until funds have been verified <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah,they ll be verified during the 22th century.
Unless their tellers using crippled donkeys to exchange infos,they should have already made it.

areeff · Sep 15, 2003

Sportingbet is a ripoff. They have ripped off people in their casino and they have allowed worldgaming to ripoff players and turned their eye.

Idollar i read stole over 20k from someone when they were worldgaming.

Chadster · Sep 15, 2003

Unless you are a world banking expert i think you are talking our of your ass with your pants on.

As of June 2001, LinesMaker has used the services of Sportingbet PLC, a UK company which is publicly traded on the AIM on the London Stock Exchange"

Wether he had his own CS or not you wouldn't be getting paid until he finds his money/yours.

Where is the slow pay with Sportingbet asscrack?

Linesmaker is not a sister company. Sportingbet provides CS and banking to Linesmaker for a piece.

A sister site to Sportingbet would be Sportsbook.com, Playersonly.com, Wallstreet.com etc.

So let me know when you know shit from shinola.

VG789 · Sep 15, 2003

The way they handle my matter so far is no better than Ido's way

HateTheRiverCard · Sep 15, 2003

Dante, not sure if I explained it well enough but here is an example, not sure which are still around but I believe that at one time DSI, VEGAS INTL and SHAMROCK SPORTSBOOKS were all affiliated and last year they ran big bonus offers on a rotating basis. So what I was asking was is it harmful to the industry as a whole if a person or persons opens three books without disclosing to the players that they are all owned by the same person and offering up big bonuses to attract players and post up cash.

To me it resembles a bonus hunter, both are predicated on the notion of GREED.

Hope that clears it up!

MARSELLUS · Sep 15, 2003

Well I think that if you have a solid company you can take advantage and make "sister companies" because you offer a good service. About the bonus every company has to be competitive enough to have a variety of bonuses having in mind that we (gamblers) are not as stupid as before that we don't go for a 50% with a 25 time rollover, we prefer a 20% with a 2 max or 3 time rollover.

Java · Sep 15, 2003

This is a very interesting topic. I'm surprised that no one mentioned WAGERMALL (and its affiliation with NASA). Haven't played there myself, after reading warning here on RX.

As for players with multiple accounts, the problem two-fold:
1) Can take advantage of bonuses (and requires more fees to neteller for all the accounts).
2) Player can take advantage of wager limits.

If a book ran "sister" books that are really just shells of the same owner, that looks mighty suspicious. Now, if Owner A is 50% partners with Owner B in book AB and Owner A is a partner is book AC (but B isn't) then the companies are related, and Owner A has a diverse portfolio.

The only other legitimate reason I can think of is if the book wanted to run one operation in Panama and one in Costa Rica to protect themselves from governments or natural disasters (the storm that hit Nicaragua a few years ago could have easily hit Costa Rica or Panama instead).

PatrickMcIrish · Sep 15, 2003

VG - I am on your side basically as I agree this is getting ridiculous. I am having a hard time believing whoever Linesmaker sent your money to there is no record of it. If there is lets move to the next institution who recieved it and go from there. Money does not just "disappear" into thin air unless someone wants it to. I have remaind quiet on this issue and even asked General to be patient but this is getting out of whack now.

Having said this it is not fair for you to characterize them as a sister book to Sportingbet. They have no controls over how Linesmaker does business. It will not get your money here any faster by saying stuff like this. Let's work on getting you your money but no reason to shake the wrong tree. I will ask General to get actively involved in this again, sitting back and waiting has shown to be ineffective. Something has to be done or some answers provided other than what you have gotten so far.....

BillDozer · Sep 16, 2003

This Question doesn't make a whole lotta sense. Different books usually offer something different otherwise they just gather more overhead while spreading customers out.

So one book may open a bonus book for squares while the other does reduced juice. Rio has Sirbet which is reduced juice and they also have skybook. They offer hlf points on the other. Books need ways to get themselves on different markets without alienating customers who are using the current book style. Thats one scenerio.

Then you have a book like VIP that basicly buys customer bases or books of business. They acquired WSSB and their customers as well as gameday (although its not clear what portion of gameday was retained by previus ownership though is part of VIPservices) Then they just opened up betongames to cover another market. Maybe for people who hate their software that the other 3 use.

It doesnt make too much sense for people with large amounts of money to put it all in the same company. one site goes down your screwed if they all go. Then you have the fact that they will know ALL your playing habits.

Then you had the starnet string of books. Call em whatever you want... worldgaming, sininter...whatever....but these guys basicly mass produced like gremlins in a swimming pool. Partly because they couldn't get customers to return, partly to flood the market with shit hoping flies would land in the trap. To me that was just a case of multiple identities to hide behind. Kinda like buying all the shitty properties in the game Monopoly and taking small bites everywhere never really getting the job done.

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