Photo copies of license and credit card???

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

I'm just trying to find out what the story is behind this whole, "send us a photocopy of your credit card and photo ID"? Got into it a little earlier with Jagbets. I just opened an account and now I'm just closing it.

They asked for the above and I refused. Rep said that they wouldn't pay their bonus without it, I said, "fine close the account and reverse the charges". Rep said that he needed the photocopies in order to do that. Transferred to supervisor who repeated and added that I was: a liar, a thief, and trying to hide something. Transferred to his supervisor (much better attitude) same story. Called bank, disputed charges so who knows how long it will take to reverse.

Anyway, my original question is what good does it do to send these photocopies? If I was a thief and stole your wallet, I could just send off a photocopy of your stuff. I don't see how that protects anybody?

Thanks for any replies. I really am curious.

sickgambler · Sep 4, 2003

It makes absolutely no sense at all. It's just their way of buying more time and delaying the payout IMO. If you gave the action, then why the hell would they care where the money was going to. They are hoping you can't supply them with one, so they don't have to pay you in full. They are looking and hoping for a way to save money and find an excuse to not pay you. Do you think the book really cares if they send money to John Smith, or Michael Jordan. What's in a name anyways? I bet if you were down 40 dimes to them, they would NEVER ask you for ID when you send them 20 more dimes. Funny how they want your ID only when you want to collect, yet when you send them money, they love you and never question your name or ask for ID.

But here is the funny part. If you win 30 dimes with a book, and they ask for ID and can't supply them with one, you don't get all monies owed to you.. But.. if you lose 30 dimes to a book and then tell them that you used someones name without telling them, and you have NO ID, and they should get all their money back, they will tell you to go to hell. Funny how it's a one way street here all the time with the books.

dandy77 · Sep 4, 2003

They pull the same thing at royal sports when they want to stiff a player instead of paying.
Avoid ROYAL SPORTS. They are the most likely book to close by the end of the year.

VG789 · Sep 4, 2003

Some books require these docs at the very beggining,thats fair,if you dont agree,go elsewhere.However most books tend to ask for them only after you ve requested a payout.
Its all good if you are a thief and giving them stolen money,but they have to triple-check anything before giving to you any money

933412 · Sep 4, 2003

I have sent these details to books and have always felt a bit uneasy about it. Often the front and back of the credit card used to deposit is also required (thus revealing the CVV credit card number). The other day my fears were realised when a fraudulent transaction (for a small amount) appeared on my credit card (to ccBILL.com).

I phoned to enquire and apparently the charge was for a porn service! Luckily my credit card company realised it was fraud due to the e-mail address given when the fraudster carried out the transaction as it was a well known address used by people not wanting to be traced.

I can only think the details of my card came from a sportsbook, either an unscrupulous employee or a book with poor online security who were hacked.

The reason I think this is it was stated that the person setting up the fraudulent transaction knew my CVV number and the sportsbooks are the only people, other than myself, who have access to this information. Needless to say this card is now cancelled.

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

If there is something questionable on the account they will ask for id and cc to confirm id.

Dante · Sep 4, 2003

WOW jay you were here when I left..and your here now...we must be on the same sleep pattern = NONE

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

I'm sick and sleep is a dream.

Dante · Sep 4, 2003

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

That is exactly why I will NEVER have an account at PPATM or any book which asks for my DRIVER'S liscense.

They have my credit card--they have my address, they have my phone #, they even have my social security #. What the hell do they want with my driver's liscense!

BrianJames · Sep 4, 2003

As far as I know this is STANDARD, the credit card companies require this to be on file (to help fight fraud). This is one of the reasons I don't recommend cc deposits, use it with neteller or western union

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

STANDARD? So if I've gone to the trouble of providing a stolen credit card, have given them the wrong address and wrong phone number and the WRONG social security # ---Do you think that I might not have a wrong (fake) driver's liscense?

Ridiculous!

VG789 · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay Leno:
If there is something questionable on the account they will ask for id and cc to confirm id.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Questions start when the player requests a payment,if the player is a loser, there is nothing to be asked

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

The following have NEVER asked me for any ID when getting a payout: WSEX, Carib, Intertops!
I can not answer for any others!

VG789 · Sep 4, 2003

Carib UK asks for ID

oldmantime · Sep 4, 2003

VG
I have wondered about that Carib UK. On their page some mention is made of Carib UK, but then it states: not available for US customers. I don't know, unless it stems in some way from fairly recent developments about the "owner-s". They do push the PPATM thing, which makes me go; hmmmm. (There is really very little that is "standard" in the whole industry.)

HABSMAN · Sep 4, 2003

If somebody stole your credit card, and cranked 5 dimes onto it, and the company never asked the guy who stole it for any type of Id, I think some of you guys would have a different opinion.
Also, what happens if the book asks for no Id you go in place a 5 dime bet, you lose...you call your cc company and say someone stole your card....and your off scott free,(you win you win, you lose you win.) and the book loses...it protects both parties.

Chadster · Sep 4, 2003

Good post. Rarely people think about from that side of the coin. As usual people think of themselves and no one else. There are always two sides to a coin.

BrianJames · Sep 4, 2003

Habsman, You hit the nail on the head!

LuckyB · Sep 4, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HABSMAN:
If somebody stole your credit card, and cranked 5 dimes onto it, and the company never asked the guy who stole it for any type of Id, I think some of you guys would have a different opinion.
Also, what happens if the book asks for no Id you go in place a 5 dime bet, you lose...you call your cc company and say someone stole your card....and your off scott free,(you win you win, you lose you win.) and the book loses...it protects both parties.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are three things wrong with this.
1. Jagbet (and perhaps others) didn't require these documents to charge the card so if someone else had jacked my card and made the deposit they wouldn't have had any of these documents prior to charging the credit card. The only time they asked for these was once I said, "I'm not doing any business with you because I'm not comfortable sending off this information to a third world country while engaging in what is currently an illegal activity in this country. Reverse the charges" (Paraphrasing here).

2. You couldn't deposit 5 dimes into the account at once. Max deposite with the CC was $500.

3. I conduct business all of the time over the internet, in stores, etc where providing photocopies of this stuff is not neccessary. Chances are good that if your bank sees that you are starting to make some purchases that are not in line with your spending habits they will give you a call to verify the charges.

Habs you make valid points, I just don't think that Jagsbet is doing those things for those reasons. They would have let me deposit, wager, lose, and win without those documents but won't provide promised bonuses or close accounts without them...even if the reason for closing the account is an unwillingness to provide those documents. That was actually brought up in my conversation with the three reps. I said, "How long after I don't send those documents will the account be closed?" The answer was, "Never, the money will just stay there."

Quality customer service.