I have interviewed a few offshore bookmakers and they are all concerned...

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

The end is nearing in the post up part of offshore bookmaking...Nobody wanted to be quoted but the mood is about the same across the board, watch and wait is about all they can do....Most are not worried about returning to the U S either ( a question I always ask )

I also heard Western Union`s revenue from offshore gambling was only about 2 % ( which is hard to believe ) but then again how does Western Union really know how many 'Rodrigo Lopez`s' are working for offshore bookmakers...

I cannot imagine Western Union being able to police this ... This may be the last Football season we know "offshore" as we know it now..

Fishhead · Aug 29, 2003

Could this explain the rash of high bonus offers we are seeing throughout the industry currently? I for one believe it has a lot to do with it, along with all the competion abundant out there.

codeworks · Aug 29, 2003

Hell after Foots and hoops I would think most shops would shut it down. I just think there will always be foots and NCCA hoops offshore. Just not as many books

sponge · Aug 29, 2003

About as clueless a post as I have ever seen.

You know about as much about the offshore industry as I know about Nuclear Physics...which is ZERO!

How can you say that....what do you base that on..."inside whispers"

Let me let you in on a whisper....most of the books that are ran correctly...are seeing an INCREASE.....yes an increase in business.

Please go back to your "sources" and let us know exactly what books your refering to, because we all should know to stay away from them.

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

I said it was by "ASKING SPORTSBOOK REPS" hey I`d say 99% don`t know shit about offshore , thats why I ask questions, dipstick!

And the ones I have asked... I do know , know what the hell they`re talking about!

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

Sponge who cares if business is increasing, thats not the point , the point is the US GOVERNMENT aka the ULTIMATE FORCE ON THE FREAKING PLANET!

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

And 1 more thing sponge...I have played with over 100 different books in the last 6 years , I do know alot of the main reps...

Fishhead · Aug 29, 2003

Yes, I believe Sponge misunderstood your point Jouneyman. Agree that your opening statement is 100% true.

SurfRat · Aug 29, 2003

Jman - You said in the title of the thread you spoke to "offshore bookmakers" not reps. I think that might be the confusion.

I do not see how Western Union can police this industry either and I really doubt that this is the last year of post up. Saying that is the same thing as saying that the "war on drugs" is working!

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

some were the book owners...some were the managers...

oldmantime · Aug 29, 2003

The way I see it is that if everybody were not in such a BIG RUSH to move funds from point A. to Point B. -- Then personal check would be an EASY option. Let me ask --Once a book in say Antigua, has a check from the US in hand, how long does it take it to clear? (A few days max is my guess, but I don't know.) The problem we face is we live in a world of "instant". That may chage or be gone unless they come up with a better mouse trap.

Brock Landers · Aug 29, 2003

This thread could have been written in 1998, 99...2000

Always the same "worries"

SurfRat · Aug 29, 2003

oldmantime - It could take up to 30 days to clear a check from the US in an International bank in Antigua or any other jurisdiction that these places bank in. That is the problem with personal checks.

suetoneous · Aug 29, 2003

My understanding of the House and Senate bills is that they - ultimately 'it' - will not prohibit online wagering. That decision will still be reserved for the states.

Two big questions for me are: Will Neteller have to close its US bank account(s)? And will all sportsbooks have to close their US bank accounts?

If the answer is 'no' to question one...this law won't effect me at all; and I suspect most others as well. If the answers is 'yes' Neteller will ahve to close all US bank accts, then I will be left with having to ask for payouts directly from the book. That leads to question #2. If the offshores will also have to close their US bank accts, then I screwed. Only W/U left. But too much activity there and I'll be blacklisted. Then what?

bullsye · Aug 29, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Journeyman:
The end is nearing in the post up part of offshore bookmaking...Nobody wanted to be quoted but the mood is about the same across the board, watch and wait is about all they can do....Most are not worried about returning to the U S either ( a question I always ask )

I also heard Western Union`s revenue from offshore gambling was only about 2 % ( which is hard to believe ) but then again how does Western Union really know how many 'Rodrigo Lopez`s' are working for offshore bookmakers...

I cannot imagine Western Union being able to police this ... This may be the last Football season we know "offshore" as we know it now..

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JM, those bm's wouldn't have been in CR?

I think CR may be shut down but the offshore market is too big a market to end.

More will just move to Australia, England, and other jurisdictions that will tell the US where to go.

US gov should be move focused on hunting down OBL, Saddam, WMD, etc, all. Most states take in hundreds of millions from people gambling in state run loteries and casinos.

Their hypocritical stance on wagering is a fricken farce.

oldmantime · Aug 29, 2003

30 DAYS---Once they have the check to clear??

R U kidding me. What do they do send it to a lab to take DNA samples--that is TOTALLY CRAZY-30 days. (Hey --I don't know)

HateTheRiverCard · Aug 29, 2003

Journey, I agree that the U.S. Government are going to make it much more difficult to fund an offshore account, with Credit cards being eliminated and funding companies like Paypal, then Neteller or Western Union. But there will always be a way to get your cash to a book. The only problem is getting it there quickly, that convenience is slowly being eliminated.

I think we may eventually get to a point where the only way to fund an account is by purchasing money orders below the amount in which I.D. must be shown and sending it FEDEX with the books picking up the fee. Seems drastic but until the U.S. government actually starts profiting from offshore wagering they are going to continue to do what is necessary to stop it from happening. It's the hypocrasity of the US Government that amazes me. I guess they figure that wagering a dime on an NFL GAME is harmful but having the ability to get into your car and drive to the local corner store and purchase a $1000 worth of Lotto tickets is safe and beneficial to you.

Journeyman · Aug 29, 2003

Yeah the lottery is a freaking joke...talk about hypocritical!

tgoodm1 · Aug 29, 2003

It took me at least 5 years to develop a method to consistently win offshore. And to think that it is all about to be taken away from me by the US government is very disturbing and angers me.

oldmantime · Aug 29, 2003

suetoneus,

I hope someone will address your question for it is the exact same one that I have.

I'm not going to use Western Union for any Damm thing.