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GREAT NEW READ BY NOVER!!!

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TRUTH IN ADVERTISING 08/21/03 - Stephen Nover

As far as a debate, it won't rival Abraham Lincoln versus Stephen Douglas, or even Dan Aykroyd against Jane Curtain.
But a recent spirited discussion between gaming columnist Buzz Daly and Las Vegas radio personality Larry Grossman did make for some compelling radio listening.

Daly and Grossman got in to it during Grossman's long-standing "You Can Bet On It" radio show.

That can happen when the topic is touts.

The backdrop revolves around the late Jay Martin, a handicapper who recently died of a heart attack. Martin had wanted to hold a sports betting seminar this fall at Sam's Town Hotel in Las Vegas. Martin said he received commitments from several handicappers in Las Vegas, all of whom happened to be frequent guests on Grossman's show.

Grossman heard about this and went to Martin's Web site. What he found there appalled him. Martin was claiming records of 88-18 (83 percent) and calling himself the country's hottest handicapper.

Grossman passed this information to various handicappers who then all pulled out of the seminar. One person invited to participate in the seminar sent Martin an E-mail asking if he was monitored and if his claims and records could be verified. If they couldn't, could Martin please explain this unbelievable percentage? Unfortunately, Martin never answered.

Of course, Daly didn't really believe Martin's claims. But he is of the opinion that touts have to do what they can to sell picks. And, in this field, it's very much buyer beware.

"People do a lot of advertising," Daly said during the radio broadcast. "I agree that false advertising should be taken to task. However, with exaggeration in advertising, I prefer to put the onus on the individual."

Daly said giving out both sides of a game, and having unauthorized charges on credit cards, are far worse than touts fudging on records.

Grossman said there's no excuse for lying and misleading people at any time.

"When someone hits 52 percent and claims to hit 82 percent that's deception," he said during the broadcast. "It's totally wrong. It doesn’t do anybody any good except the person who's putting money into his pocket."

Daly and Grossman are friends and were courteous to each other during the broadcast, but the exchange became heated at times.

"If somebody puts an ad in USA Today saying they're hitting 78 percent," Grossman said, "and somebody from Phoenix or Des Moines calls up and gets taken by this guy that doesn't bother you? It bothers me."

"It bothers you because you seem to think we're a nation of fools,” Daly responded. “I have a little more confidence in people. I don't think it's the end of the world if somebody gets burned by a tout."

Grossman then said, "It might be the end of that person's world. It might not be the end of the world at large, but nobody should be able to falsely advertise a claim that isn't true."

Later, off the air, Daly said, "If people can't see through a tout's claims, it’s OK. Let them get burned. That's how you learn in this world. You learn through life experience. You learn that not everything is roast beef and apple pie."

If someone is stupid enough to believe preposterous claims, Daly said, then they deserve to lose their money because they were foolish and greedy.

Grossman takes great pride in having guest handicappers who have earned solid reputations. His pride extends to trying to help educate listeners who might want to pay for an honest sports service.

"I don't think the public needs to be protected by a savior," Daly said. "The public needs to be encouraged to save themselves and check things out on their own."

Asked about this off the air, Daly said, "I would agree with Larry if this were a perfect world where people didn't lie, cheat or steal. But they do.

"In Larry's world, everything is either black or white. But it's not like that in the real world very often. There are a thousand shades of gray in between."

This is clearly a black-white scenario in Grossman's mind because handicappers are sometimes defined only by their won/lost percentages.

"You either say what your numbers are or not say what they are," Grossman said. "The confidence is in the number. It is black and white. You either give the correct number or lie.

"...If you're hitting 52 percent, don't say you're hitting 70 percent. That's bull and it's deceiving the public. It's absolutely wrong and there's no rationalizing it."
 
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Good read (as usual) from Nover.

I don't really think that Daly or Grossman made any earthshattering claims, but people need to be reminded that's it's all bullshit & that they have to lie to get your money.

Perfect timing for the story....people need a reminder this time of year-and there are a LOT of stupid people in the world.
 

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I agree Tin, another good story from Mr Nover. Missed him last time but finally got to meet him in person this trip. A great guy with a RED HOT wife.

Hope you don't mind me saying so Stephen.
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Where did Buzz Daly play his football? All these touts are cocaine addicts and chainsmoke cigarettes and never played a down of football in there life.
 

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Speaking of the scum of the earth, I just got pkg that must weigh 3# from the absolute worst of the lot ATS. But as bad as they are can you imagine their profit margin to be able yr after yr to inundate us w/this garbage? It`s too bad ALL players don`t have access to a site such as this one so they can be educated. And now is the time Wayne Root will be filling the airwaves again.
 

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I hope I don;t offend anyone but anyone who pays for a tout is a idiot who has no confidence in thereself and should stop gambling immediately
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Anyways, a bookie friend of mine says he likes touts because they keep the squares coming back. LOL
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I think it's pretty cut and dried. I would do what Grossman did and inform everyone of the outrageous claims. Then it's up to them whether they want to pull out or not. If some of them choose to continue to take the guy seriously I wouldn't question their right to do so, but I would certainly question the number of cards in the proverbial deck in their brain. And I would use this information to decide who I would deal with, respect, and take seriously in the future. As for the others, I may use my media clout to point out to the public my opinion of the situation as well as that of the people who took the guy seriously. After that I've done what I could and those who are dumb enough not to heed my advice deserve the consequences.
 

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If this were a fight it would
be scored a first round KO by
Larry Grossman. Buzz's side of
this argument was totally ridiculous.
Larry was doing for his listeners
what this site does for it's readers.
He acted as a watchdog for the scum
out there. Touts have no right to
deceive people in order to sell their
picks, regardless of how naive the
public can be.
 

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I noticed this guys outrageous record on his site too. I sent him an email last year asking him if he was verified.

Hi Jay,

Is your record monitored anywhere?

And this was his response:

Thanks for your inquiry. As is our monitoring policy, our record is monitored in two different ways. We post all of our picks 15 minutes after the beginning of the game on our home page and then record in our 2002-2003 record (which will be available on our home page Thursday August 22). The second way in which we are monitored is through our radio partners like ESPN Radio affiliates and KFAN Minneapolis WSCR Chicago etc. We do not use agencies such as the Sports Monitor because we believe posting our picks to everyone shortly after game time allows the public to mentor SII. I hope this answered your question.

I would also like to mention we are 12-5 this preseason and up an impressive 32 units. If you have any further questions please email or call me at 800-774-9317.

Or in other words, nobody was monitoring this guy.
 

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Bottom Line, Buzz is a crook! ask anybody that has met him and they will all agree on one thing, This man can not pick a winner, just his ass and nose.
 

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Brian James,

Suggesting that Buzz Daly is a crook is just plain wrong and not true...

He is a friend of mine and I know him well...

I may not always agree with his position and I don't in this example, but Buzz is highly respected by many insiders in our industry, including me..

Ken
 

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Doc, I met this guy when one of the biggest crooks in this business was trying to get me to work for him and they were partners, I was given some insight to how they were going to rip off players. I would not have anything to do with him after that. He showed no signes of being a man that could be trusted. I call it the way I see it, I hope this doesn't get me banned! maybe you should ask him about building 7 in office centro, 7th floor. Lets see what he has to say. Hell, I think his son still is working for the crook.
 

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I know the scum tout scamdicappers think highly of Buzz. The glowing endorsement Buzz Daly gave "Scam" Root made me want to vomit.
 

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Brian,

You will NEVER get banned for sharing your opinion baby!

While I disagree with you about Buzz, I do respect every posters point of view on this site, including yours..

Thank you for sharing...

Ken
 

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With all due respect to Buzz, I do not agree with his claims.

Good article Nover.

Glad that I can say I try to assist players before they learn the hard way.
 

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Shrink- How can you think highly of Buzz when he talks so highly about Wayne Root? Wayne Root
is all that's bad with the sports tout industry.
Wayne might look good on T.V. but his salesman are instructed to rape and pillage as much money out of every client that is humanly possible.
 

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Nover is a bum just like Root and all the others. There are legal scammers that manipulate words and records.

Don't waste your time with these bums!!
 

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