Novers article Waddel v Koufax

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Nover's article is misleading. In 1902 era of baseball, pitcher pitched almost every other day.

Wadell should have had many more starts than Koufax, who pitched almost every 3 to 4 days.

No doubt Wadell was a great pitcher.
 

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When you look at career numbers Koufax was a stronger strikeout pitcher. Putting the impossible to compare era's aside. The final numbers look like this:

Waddell - 5 teams from 1897 thru 1910 - wins 196 - losses 138 - innings pitched 2962 - strikeouts 2316.

Koufax - 1 team from from 1956 thru 1966 - wins 165 - losses - 87 - innings pitched 2325 - strikeouts - 2393.

There is a lot more to this argument, but I am just posting bear bones innings pitched to strikeout numbers.


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Koufax struckout one batter per inning pitched on average for his career. Waddell came up short by over 500 K's.



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Of course Koufax is the Better Pitcher just ask the Dodgers media writers
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Ya got me, how can anyone dispute such intelligent, well thought out logic, as you guys have presented. I am left totally speechless.

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koufax,


High mound, pitchers park, deadball era, pre steroids. Very overrated.
 

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wilheim - I agree. Koufax Struck out more batters than Waddell and in LESS innings pitched.

Waddell pitch 637 MORE innings than Koufax and struck out less batters...77 less strike outs over Koufax.

It's a clear as a bell...Koufax was BY FAR the better pitcher.
 

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Koufax didnt do squat until he pitched at dodger stadium, anyone can have a low era at that place.
 

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Waddell pitched in the 1800's talk about dead ball era.

Insty - How are today? I was around when Koufax was in his prime (In high school), although I never saw him live, he was on Tv plenty, especially in the 63, 65, and 66 world series. He really blinded the Yanks in 63. I have to admit I have never saw Waddell pitch, he came around just before the automobile did, so I missed him.

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WTF does pre-steroids have to do with a debate about Rube Waddell and Sandy Koufax?

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wilheim - All is well. The first game my dad took me to at Dodger stadium when I was a kid Koufax was pitching. He was amazing. I saw him pitch many times after that and when I was in little league we all wanted to throw like him. He had a curve ball you couldn't hit.
Drysdale was hot back then as well. I was at the game back in the 60's when he pitched a perfect game. Those were back in the days when they also had players like "Willie Davis" who was the #1 base stealer back then. What a show! Willie would always steal a base whenever he got on base. He made EVERY visiting pitcher really nervous...Willie used to phyc out the pitchers.
I don't think the Dodgers have EVER been as great of a team as they were back in the 60's. I don't think we'll ever see them as good again no matter how much talent they buy these days.
But I have my memories...
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Yeah I think the 63 team was the best, with Koufax, Drysdale, and veterans John Podres, and Ron Perronski they had a great staff. The Davis boys, Maury Wills, Junior Gilliam, Ron Fairly, Frank Howard, John Roseboro, and even ex-Yankee Bill Skowron, made the team fun to watch and hard to beat. They played smart baseball, with only Howard hitting any homers (28). Very nice team.

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