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Does anyone think like I do, that lawyers (in general) tend to cloud the issues rather than clear them up? Do you prefer "cloudy" over "clear"?
Do you wish for more simple laws or more complex ones? (See first question).
Do you think lawyers or medical doctors (in general terms of course) contribute more to the society in which we live (U.S.)?
And finally do you actually believe that America is : "the land of the free and the home of the brave"?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oldmantime:
Does anyone think like I do, that lawyers (in general) tend to cloud the issues rather than clear them up? Do you prefer "cloudy" over "clear"?
Do you wish for more simple laws or more complex ones? (See first question).
Do you think lawyers or medical doctors (in general terms of course) contribute more to the society in which we live (U.S.)?
And finally do you actually believe that America is : "the land of the free and the home of the brave"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


My answers in order....

Yes
No
Simple
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How about FEWER laws? According to a news article I read yesterday, over 300 new regulations are enacted every damn day, with the vast majority of those never voted on by Congress but issued via fiat by beauracracies.
 

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Iraq had simple laws: steal and we cut your hand off.

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Congress is controlled by lawyers, lawyers need to work, so more laws means more work. That's why we'll never see a flat tax rate in this country. There's no way Congress would pass it
 

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Does anyone think like I do, that lawyers (in general) tend to cloud the issues rather than clear them up? Do you prefer "cloudy" over "clear"?
Our legal system is a complete and utter failure. It's completely biased for the rich (see OJ).

Do you wish for more simple laws or more complex ones? (See first question).
Simple ones - I still to this day have NO idea if betting online is legal or not??
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What a joke.

"Do you think lawyers or medical doctors (in general terms of course) contribute more to the society in which we live (U.S.)?"
Although they are "sterotypically" BOTH greedy money sucking leaches, I belive there are a some truly wonderful doctors & VERY FEW (if any) truly good lawyers.

And finally do you actually believe that America is : "the land of the free and the home of the brave"?
Brave? Our last two presidents were war dodgers that both ordered the bombs to be dropped - hardly bravery.

Compared to the rest of the world I'd say we're more free & less brave. Compared to other democracies I'd say we're LESS free.
 

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Very Good Responses. I think that as long as lawyers make laws (well stated above), we may never get a "clear picture" for the player. Because with a clear picture, some of us would not (maybe) break the law. However, as Lander says--I have no idea to this day about the legality of online gambling. But what I do know (Or read is that Mr. Jay Cohen, who sits in jail because he was brave enough and aslo was advised by attorneys in San Fran. that what he was going to do was "legal". One must wonder if the lawyers that gave gave him this advise, before he even st up WSEX---have spent ANY time behind bars. More Lawyers---Just Say NO PLEASE!
 

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The law is supposed to be concise and clear, and is anything but. All that is left of law is a giant cloud meant to obscure the fact that government does nothing well, except to create the demand for more bureacracy.

Maybe one day we'll figure out how to power a car on red tape, and then we'll be glad for the last 150 years or so worth of the nation-state circus.


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Here's the article I read - sickening ...

Thursday, July 17, 2003
By Radley Balko


In July of 2000, after months of deliberation and fierce lobbying from interested advocacy groups, after determined research and debate and consternation, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (search ) finally issued its much-anticipated ruling:

Henceforth, the majority of the holes in every slice of Grade A Swiss cheese (search ) sold in America would need to be between 3/8 and 13/16 of an inch in diameter. This represented a sea change from the previous guidelines, which set Swiss cheese holes parameters at 11/16 of an inch to 13/16 of an inch.

Also, “the cheese shall be properly set and shall possess well-developed round oval-shaped eyes which are uniformly distributed.” Since 1953, the USDA has had a Swiss cheese team of overseers, and employs a team of Swiss cheese graders, who evaluate the holes in your cheese using 22 different classifications, including “cabbage, collapsed, dull, dead, frog mouth, gassy, nesty, one-sided, underset, or uneven.”

I get the Swiss cheese story from a terrific new book by Washington Post reporter Cindy Skrzycki (search ) called The Regulators: Anonymous Power Brokers in American Politics, (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003.) Skrzycki’s book is quite an accomplishment. It’s a book about federal bureaucracy -- perhaps the dullest, driest, most mundane subject matter imaginable -- and Skrzycki makes it fascinating.

But the book is also infuriating. Skrzycki explains in great detail how virtually every nook and cranny of our existence has been checked, double-checked, measured, detailed, tasted, spit out, and impact-studied by a crack team of federal bureaucrats. She details, for example, a fierce fight between the FDA, Tic Tac, Altoids and Frisk Refreshing Tablets over what the official serving size for breath mints ought to be.

There are about 4,500 new regulations issued every year. The Federal Register (search), the official listing of all federal regulations, swelled to a whopping 75,606 pages in 2002, according to the Cato Institute’s Clyde Wayne Crews, Jr. If you’re of the mind that Democrats are more prone to regulation than Republicans, the 2002 Federal Registry -- under the Bush administration -- was the thickest ever, by about 1,000 pages. Last year, on average, the federal government issued about 300 new regulations each business day.

The Office of Management and Budget (search ) estimates that federal regulations cost businesses between $500 and $600 billion each year. Those costs include paying lawyers to merely scan the Federal Registry each day to see if the most recently issued rules affect the business they work for. Crews puts annual compliance costs closer to $860 billion. Many times, it’s impossible for a company to comply with one regulation without violating another.

Compliance costs are felt most by small businesses, which can’t afford expensive legal teams to keep tabs on new regulations, or, for example, to replace each employee’s computer keyboard when the Department of Labor (search ) decrees that certain keyboard designs could lead to carpal tunnel syndrome.

In fact, the big corporations who understand the regulatory game can actually benefit from it. They can lobby for expensive regulations only the largest corporations can afford, effectively keeping upstarts and competitors at bay.

And though most all regulation is a burden on the free market, not all regulation is necessarily bad for business. In the above case of cheese, for example, cheesemakers get the benefit of a government “Grade A” seal on their cheeses at taxpayer expense. If it’s really necessary that our cheese be “graded” -- if consumers really want a respected seal of approval on their gouda -- it’s likely that without the USDA, a private company would emerge to provide the service of cheese-grading. Instead, cheese sellers get to advertise their cheese as top-grade, at the expense of taxpayers.

All of these regulations carry the weight of law, yet none of them are actually voted on by Congress, and a sparse few are ever aired for public debate. There’s also little oversight, or any attempt to see if the regulations issued actually achieve their intended effect. Since about the time of the New Deal (search), Congress has been delegating vast lawmaking powers to the ever-expanding roster of federal agencies, mainly because Congress wants to pass more laws than it has time to actually vote on.

The whole process is an end-around the Constitution. Delegation makes lawmaking a breeze. It’s far easier for a bureaucrat or political appointee to issue a decree than for a bill to make its way through subcommittee, committee, a floor vote in both houses of Congress, then sit for a signature from the president.

But there is a bit of hope, however faint.

This Congress a small group of principled lawmakers have introduced a bill that would require Congress to vote on and approve any and all regulations that carry the weight of law. How, you’re wondering, could Congress possibly debate and vote on 300 new laws each day? How could they possible give an up or down to 75,000 pages of laws every year?

They can’t, of course. And that’s pretty much the point. Rarely does Congress pass a law that gives us more freedom, that kills off an unneeded government program or that lets us keep more of our money. Most laws shave just a bit more liberty from the rights we were born with. So lawmaking should be difficult. It ought to be tiring and tedious and filled with debate and deliberation.

The bill requiring congressional approval of all new federal regulations would do just that. It would make lawmaking much more difficult. It would make the jobs of our elected representatives much more difficult. It will mean fewer laws, fewer regulations and it will shrink the role of federal agencies in our day-to-day goings-on.

And that’s exactly why it hasn’t the slightest chance of passing.

Radley Balko is a writer living in Arlington, Va. He also maintains a Weblog at www.theagitator.com.
 

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1. Yes and no. They cloud the issues when it's beneficial to their client and they clear it up when it's beneficial to their client. Or put another way, they do their job.
2. Clear is nice, but it's not always possible. Things are not always black and white. "Bright line" rules are always preferred but not always possible and exceptions are usually necesary.
3. I'd prefer "simple" laws, but I'd grade fairness and equity as a higher priority than simplicity.
4. Not sure what you mean by "more. More good? More bad? More time?
5. We're less free and less brave than we could be.

Keep in mind that these answers are coming from a lawyer.
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