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By Stephen Nover
The Rx.com
June 3, 2003

http://www.therx.com/nm/templates/article.asp?articleid=1031&zoneid=1

Odds and Ends Sports has sold its post-up business to Gamblers Avenue. Odds and Ends will continue to run its credit shop.

Negotiations between the two Costa Rican sports books were finalized Tuesday morning. Post-up players at Odds and Ends automatically will have their accounts switched to Gamblers Avenue’s database.

“It should be taken care of soon and everyone’s welcome to play,” said Fred Martinez, customer service manager for Odds and Ends.

J.J., owner of Odds and Ends and a bookmaker for more than 30 years, never felt entirely comfortable doing post-up.

“They already have an outstanding credit business,” Martinez said of Odds and Ends.

So after about 19 months of trying post-up and encountering an unpleasant experience, J.J. decided to end that aspect of his business.

“It’s not their piece of the pie,” Martinez said. “They really don’t want this. But it’s pleasing to know that it’s not like a book is going under. It was a case of an old school owner not feeling comfortable with post-up and getting his price to sell off his customer base.”

In December it was discovered a bettor was taking advantage of Odds and Ends’ software and a computer glitch to run up an initial $200 deposit into $12,000 by making ‘What If’ correlation wagers on the first half of basketball matchups.

While this story was detailed in a Jan. 16 article on the Rx.com home page, J.J. refused to pay the bettor a final $5,800. The ensuing controversy and the belief that he felt cheated by someone taking advantage of the latest computer technology left a sour taste for J.J. when it came to Internet bookmaking.

“He said, ‘Fred I’m not into this anymore,” Martinez said. “I’m going to do my own thing. I’ve been in credit for 30 years. Why go to something new?”

Perhaps then this becomes a win-win situation. Gamblers Avenue, which started in January, increases its customer base and becomes more powerful. While J.J., who has tried to be honorable throughout his 30 years in bookmaking, can now just concentrate on his roots, which is credit.
 

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maybe there techies got there lines crossed up and it was an honest mistake. They did not know they were on the same network
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That was a very interesting link. This was RPM's response to a question asking if Gambler's Avenue and O&E were related in some way.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM
I AM ABOUT 99% SURE THEY ARE NOT RELATED.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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That thud we just heard was RPM's credibility taking a punishing blow.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I AM ABOUT 99% SURE THEY ARE NOT RELATED <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah, they were just in the "holding hands" phase of the relationship back then...but, now they're doing the wild thing.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ninja:
That was a very interesting link. This was RPM's response to a question asking if Gambler's Avenue and O&E were related in some way.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM
I AM ABOUT 99% SURE THEY ARE NOT RELATED.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ooops!
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That thud we just heard was RPM's credibility taking a punishing blow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

RPM's credibility is far from taking a "punishing blow" by making that comment. It was 100% correct at the time.
 

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GA:

Are you going to be keeping both sites running, or are you going to shut down the O'N'E site and move everyone to the GA site ?
 

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ninja,

i dont understand. was i supposed to know that g.a. was going to BUY oddsnends post up business???

my comment was made based on the fact that i had spoken to fred(oddsnends) and mike(g.a.) and had never had reason to believe they were related in anyway.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM:
my comment was made based on the fact that i had spoken to fred (oddsnends) and mike (g.a.) and had never had reason to believe they were related in anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Guess you were being fed a few slices of baloney.

They may not have been 'officially' related at that time, but they weren't using the exact same numbers on everything because they were just 'good friends'.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ninja:
Guess you were being fed a few slices of baloney.

They may not have been 'officially' related at that time, but they weren't using the exact same numbers on everything because they were just 'good friends'.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am very confused at what exactly you are implying Ninja. We (GA & OE) have been very upfront about this situation. We shared a common infrastructure with no intentions of mergers or acquistions and no common ownership. This all came to pass very quickly within the last week. I hope this goes to set the record straight.
 

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Assuming that RPM is being truthful, I'm implying that the people he spoke with fed him a load of crap.

RPM says he talked to representatives from both books and never had reason to believe they were related in anyway.

What does that mean to you?

Are you saying that sharing a common infrastructure, and using the exact same lines on everything could be described as not related in any way?
 

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We disclosed that we shared infrastructure. That does not mean we are "related". To me and probably most people, when you say "related" you are referring to ownership.

I think it's a matter of symantics. RPM was not "fed a load of crap". He spoke to me and asked me. I told him, we are not "related" at that time. What more do you want Ninja? What is your agenda here?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We disclosed that we shared infrastructure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who did you disclose that to? You certainly didn't disclose it on this forum last month when the question about being related was asked.

If you told this to RPM last month, then why after speaking to you would he say he never had reason to believe they were related in anyway?

Are you saying that sharing a common infrastructure, and using the exact same lines on everything could be described as not related in any way?
 

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"Who did you disclose that to? You certainly didn't disclose it on this forum last month when the question about being related was asked."
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Ninja:

Actually, they did:

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Ninja,

Are you bored or something? What is it going to take to make you happy with this issue? I am so confused as to what you are trying to prove?

The issue is about what each of us considers "related". We obviously have 2 different opinions on what this word means. That is fine with me, but please explain what you are trying to prove or point out.

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GA,

I'm not trying to prove anything. RPM said he was 99% sure that you were not related in any way to O&E. Even though that was not an accurate statement, you came into this thread to defend him.

What was your purpose? Are you bored? Please explain why you decided to defend a statement you knew was inaccurate at the time it was made.

This is not just a semantics issue. You were both in the same facility and using the exact same lines. Most reasonable people would conclude that you were indeed related in some way.

This is no big deal, but it's curious as to why you would come to RPM's defense here.
 

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NINJA,

if it helps clear things up for you, when i said they were not related i meant that they were not related by ownership.

someone asked a question and i gave them an answer that was correct at the time.

i had no way of knowing that gamblers ave was going to buy oddsnends at that time. hell, from what i hear oddsnends and gamblers ave didnt know they were going to be making this deal at that time.

it appears to me that you are trying to damage my credibility for some reason. hate to tell you this buddy but there are better ways to do that than this. lol
 

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