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Its ok to post porn for kids to see but for god's sake don't let them see a sportsbook ad on your site.

As the persecution of online gambling reaches new highs, other industries have full protection of the US Constitution. It just gets more ridiculous by the day.


High Court Upholds Block of Web Porn Law



By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a law meant to punish pornographers who peddle dirty pictures to Web-surfing kids is probably an unconstitutional muzzle on free speech.



The high court divided 5-to-4 over a law passed in 1998, signed by then-President Clinton (news - web sites) and now backed by the Bush administration. The majority said a lower court was correct to block the law from taking effect because it likely violates the First Amendment.


The court did not end the long fight over the law, however. The majority sent the case back to a lower court for a trial that could give the government a chance to prove the law does not go too far.


The majority, led by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, said there may have been important technological advances in the five years since a federal judge blocked the law.


Holding a new trial will allow discussion of what technology, if any, might allow adults to see and buy material that is legal for them while keeping that material out of the hands of children.


Justices John Paul Stevens (news - web sites), David H. Souter, Clarence Thomas (news - web sites) and Ruth Bader Ginsburg (news - web sites) agreed with Kennedy.


The American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) and other critics of the antipornography law said that it would restrict far too much material that adults may legally see and buy, the court said.


The law, which never took effect, would have authorized fines up to $50,000 for the crime of placing material that is "harmful to minors" within the easy reach of children on the Internet (news - web sites).


The law also would have required adults to use access codes and or other ways of registering before they could see objectionable material online.


For now, the law, known as the Child Online Protection Act, would sweep with too broad a brush, Kennedy wrote.


"There is a potential for extraordinary harm and a serious chill upon protected speech" if the law took effect, he wrote.


Kennedy said that filtering software "is not a perfect solution to the problem of children gaining access to harmful-to-minors materials."


He said that so far, the government has failed to prove that other technologies would work better.


The ruling in Ashcroft v. American Civil Liberties Union was the last of nearly 80 cases decided in a busy court term. The year's marquee cases involving presidential power to dealing with suspected terrorist were announced Monday, and mostly represented a loss for the Bush administration.


Tuesday's pornography ruling is more nuanced, but still a blow to the government. It marks the third time the high court has considered the case, and it may not be the last.


Congress had tried repeatedly to find a way to protect Web-surfing children from smut without running afoul of the First Amendment.


The justices unanimously struck down the first version of a child-protection law passed in 1996, just as the Internet was becoming a commonplace means of communication, research and entertainment.





Congress responded by passing COPA, saying the new law met the Supreme Court's free-speech standards.

The American Civil Liberties Union challenged COPA immediately, arguing that the replacement law was every bit as unconstitutional as the original. The law has been tied up in the courts ever since.

In dissent, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and justices Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites), Antonin Scalia (news - web sites) and Stephen Breyer (news - web sites) said the law is constitutional and should be upheld.

Restrictions about who would be covered by the law and how it would be enforced "answer many of the concerns raised by those who attack its constitutionality," Breyer wrote.

The ACLU challenged the law on behalf of online bookstores, artists and others, including operators of Web sites that offer explicit how-to sex advice or health information. The ACLU argued that its clients could face jail time or fines for distributing information that, while racy or graphic, is perfectly legal for adult eyes and ears.

Material that is indecent but not obscene is protected by the First Amendment. Adults may see or purchase it, but children may not.

That is a tricky rule to enforce in the murky and anonymous reaches of the Internet. Most Web sites, chat rooms and other Internet venues are available to adults and minors alike, and commercial transactions do not take place face to face.

The Internet also presents a difficulty in translating old rules about what children could see and what they could not.

In writing the 1998 law, Congress said "contemporary community standards" should guide what is harmful to children. Civil liberties defenders said that the standard would lead to the most prudish place in America having veto power over the most liberal, because Internet material is available to them both.

The ACLU also said the community standards idea would force legitimate web site operators to self-censor, for fear of running afoul of someone's idea of what is inappropriate for children.

The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) agreed, and ruled that the standards issue alone made the law unconstitutional. The Bush administration appealed to the Supreme Court, which delivered a partial victory for the government two years ago.

The court said at that time that, by itself, the community standards issue did not make the law unconstitutional. The justices then sent the case back for a fuller examination of the other free speech objections raised by the ACLU.

The Philadelphia-based federal appeals court then struck down the law a second time, on much broader First Amendment grounds, and the administration again appealed to the Supreme Court.
 

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The two issues seem totally different. Are you arguing that betting on your favorite team should somehow be classified as "speech"? Interesting argument. By betting on your team you are making a statement as to your allegiance that you otherwise could not make without betting on the game. I like it.

Otherwise, commerical speech recives very little protection in itself.
 

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No what I'm really arguing about is the fact that I can startup a XXX site take advertising dollars from other porn sites and that is protected.

I can even take ad $$$ for selling drug paraphernalia, dss decoders, online pharmacies, and the like all with no problem. BUT let me run an ad for an online sportsbook and I risk the DOJ coming after me.

Just seems to me that somewhere priorities are off somewhere.
 

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Bigdogg,
You are looking at the logical argument instead of the "legal" argument. The Supremes look at issues and decide the constitutionality of them. The 1st Amend in case law and precedent has held that porno to a certain extent is protected free speech. Therefore not many laws that states or the Congress try to pass to change this will fly. On the other hand, the wire wager act (I forget the USC) has not been declared unconstitutional so that is why gambling ads for offshore books are targeted because by extrapolation the US gov. holds that internet gambling involves (wire transmissions etc..) and that is illegal (that is their story and they are sticking to it despite the fact the law doesn't even mention the internet). Basically our DOJ knows they can target "illegal" gambling and they do target illegal porn...but they already know they can do little "legally" about most porn sites because of past rulings by the Supreme Ct. Logically, more kids are probably harmed by seeing porn than an ad for a sportsbook but the DOJ just hunts where they are allowed and know they have a good shot of winning.
 

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