Billy Walters and his $100,000 "Average" Bets

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Billy Walters
The average bet he and his partners make on a game is $100,000, but that can go up to a million dollars if the numbers look right.

Story By Jack Sheehan Illustration by Tim O'Brien
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Talk to Billy Walters about his favorite charity, Opportunity Village, the Las Vegas organization that helps seriously disabled and disadvantaged people, and his voice grows soft. He gets emotional instantly. Then change the subject to golf course proprietorship, a topic that as the owner of six area courses he knows better than anyone, and he'll alternate between humor and earnest evaluation as he discusses the challenge of developing and operating championship courses in economically uncertain times.
But bring up the subject of sports gambling , and how he finds the edge that will beat the odds makers more than six times out of ten, and his eyes grow colder than the shark in Jaws, just as it was about to bite into Captain Quint. This is dead-serious business for the man who is considered the biggest sports gambler in America.

Walters is so revered in the tight circle of front-line sports gamblers for his ability to choose the right team at the right time, that other prognosticators bow to the East when talking about him. He might be up a little bit in his career, but betting the huge money that Billy bets and moving the odds the way he does, just boggles the mind. In that arena, he is without question the Man.

When Walters is asked for a self-analysis of his sports betting prowess, he says, "We've done pretty good. And I do think it's probably true that my partners and I are the biggest sports bettors in the world. "

Perhaps because we've caught him in a benevolent mood, on a mid- summer morning in his tastefully decorated Las Vegas office sequestered behind Cili Restaurant in the Bali Hai clubhouse, Walters chooses to share a little information with us on how he determines his picks.

"If you compare me to someone in the stock market, I am a value investor," he says. "I'm like a Warren Buffett. I don't like ridiculous long shots. I look at two teams and determine what the projected outcome should be. If the line that's out there shows enough of a differential, then I'll bet on either side. I don't have favorite teams, and I don't care who wins."

Billy says the constraints of his golf course business keep him from being a totally consumed handicapper. "The research time to analyze a game is something I just don't have," he says. "But what I do have is a lot of different people that provide me with various forms of handicapping information. There are 10 or 12 different ones. These are people I've known for a long time. I know their strengths, I know their weaknesses , and when I do an evaluation it's just like a stock market advisor on Wall Street. The guys at these big funds rely on a lot of analysts to give them information, and they have to know the strengths and weaknesses of these evaluators. Many times I may have five guys on one side, and two on the other , and I will bet against the five. After evaluating everything you can, in the end you have to trust your gut."

Walters says that the public most often bets the favorites; the question he always ponders when the line first comes out is which way is it likely to move. Then he keeps a close eye on injuries and late developments before game time.

Billy bets mainly on college and pro football, as well as basketball. He feels if a game is worth betting on, it's worth betting big on. The average bet he and his partners make on a game is $100,000, but that can go up to a million dollars if the numbers look right. "Usually the biggest bets are made on the college bowl games at the end of the year or the Super Bowl," he says. "By the end of a season you have a great feel for what both teams can do, and can't do."

Walters acknowledges that his bets often move the line, but only because so many scouts are watching what he's doing. "There are people surveilling our people all the time," he says. "They are in the casinos sun up to sun down to see what we're betting. That's what causes the line to move, all these people watching us and betting the way we bet. And that includes the tout services, those guys who advertise guaranteed winners. If the guy could pick winners himself, he'd be betting on them, not running a tout service."

With that, Billy Walters wraps up our conversation and rushes out to check on the new greens that have just been installed at his Bali Hai course.

"These are the best greens in town right now," he says. "You can bet on it."

I decide not to ask him what the line is.

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Thanks Hache.

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Strange thing is though General, there are a few touts/services that do win consistently each year. Do they do run their own service for the extra money, or could it go deeper.?
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Hache, when it comes to scammers, there is no end to the deepness it may go.
 

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I would like to hear his answer on "how did you get your original stake to bet sports?"

That would be a classic.

I am sure a few guys on here know that he surely didn't get his money betting sports. Shrink probably knows where the money really came from.
 

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Billy,
If you're out there, will you adopt me?

I'm good at fading Ken, so I would fit right in with the family
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Billy walks on water. I don't know how, but he does. he also has some terrefic real estate investments to fall back on from what I hear. .
 

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upon further review, this is one old article. I know I read it like a year ago and it is as lame as bill himself. the whole 'I got 5 guys I pay money on and I might go oposite of them' shows how amatuer minded he is. I'm just impressed with myself, I say a guys name and you dig for an article on him. I'm so nasty, I can't take it. follow homeboy in bases he had the nice hit on the cards yesterday.
 

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I originally posted the article. . .Billy is/was nothing without mindilin. he was the real genious behind the 'computer group'
 

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I never saw it Rob, sorry. I've had this article saved on my computer for a long time now, was just browsing computer and thought some may find it interesting is all...I believe it's CB Totals now......
 

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I'll start a new thread for it. .give me a sec if i can find it. old story but good read
 

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What I would like to know is how exponentially more do all the followers bet per game. It is like a pyramid.
 

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I don't sit where I once did, and have been in the dark for 5 years now without any info..

But..give me Baxter over any of them, especially if we're talking "all-around" capping(halftime betting also) & not just niche/area of particuliar strength..Tiger, Buddy & Jamie, Kosher,etc..are also near immortal in their strong areas.

Rob, Doc's parameter buys aren't as strong as they used to be?..I would rather the Lunatic's parameter plays?..I'm long out of the know now

Borat, some of The Machine's followers play a house for a wager with a car tacked on for juice..I.E. six figures plus. They have for twenty-plus years, at least in it's area of strength..college football.

Thus BW's power to jerkoff the line by sending out stiffs to number-build before the reverse.
 

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That IMO is the one area where I can make a living. I mean I play the steam but I prefer to focus on picking which one to go against or which one has been overadjusted and go the other way.Especially if a local has way overadjusted.
 

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Still no answer? Guess no one knows, or no one cares to mention it. Stuck in the fantacy. At least a few guys here know who the real brains were behind BW just bankrolled with ill gotten gains.


As for the steam, they sort of killed the scalping part, but their steam has opene dup a ton of avenues on the lead taking front. A little more gambling as you need to pick the right game, and the right side, or beat the steam if possible, and even if you ose a penny or two enough places over adjust to get some back the other way.
 

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