BAD news for online gambling (S. 627)

Banned4Life · Jul 21, 2004

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Lawmakers have indicated the full Senate will vote on S. 627 when Congress returns from their August recess in September. This is why it’s so urgent you and your friends send letters to Congress telling them to vote against this attack on your freedom!
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This has totally flown under the radar of the online gambling forums. THIS IS BAD SHIT COMING. So while you're all engaged in your site wars and flaming and bickering over "protection programs" (wtf will there BE to protect if this passes) there is action in Washington that will bring this entire industry down.

Y'all better get your priorities straight, get off your lazy asses, bury your hatchets with each other, and DO SOMETHING because in the VERY NEAR FUTURE IT WILL BE TOO LATE!!!!!

wilheim · Jul 21, 2004

S.627 is the Kyl Bill and should be given a lot of attention. I am not sure if it has flown completely under the radar, but I'm glad to see a web-site like internet gamblers for internet freedom exists.

Latest information on Kyl Bill S.627.

S 627

wil.

Banned4Life · Jul 21, 2004

According to posters at the Usenet poker newsgroup (rgp), if this bill passes the full senate in Sept it will go to the white house and await Bush's signature, and once signed would take effect 3 months later. So potentially, the industry could be destroyed by the time the super bowl is played. In addition to fighting for your rights, it may be wise to keep balances low and follow this legislation closely.

And since (I believe) it passed committee by a 19-0 vote the odds are very good that the full senate will be able to muster 51 votes to pass it.

Dante · Jul 21, 2004

WOW and I thought I read it was a dead issue until next year as sept, october the polticians will to busy trying to get reelected and have no time for this bill...sad news..

wilheim · Jul 21, 2004

S 627 is essentially a tax relief bill for long term illness patients. The internet gambling ban is an attachment, DRF of amendment to s.627:

Amendment to S.627

elk102873 · Jul 21, 2004

Why would it cause the offshore betting industry to crumble? I mean it seems that everyone is now using online escrow such at neteller and paypal. The only online gambling sites that still accept credit cards are the table casino games sites like partpoker.com, intercasino.com, etc.

UberTout · Jul 21, 2004

The passing of this bill will not destroy the offshore or online gaming industry. No way. THe industry reached critical mass several years ago and is not going anywhere.

The industry will adjust, mutate, change, whatever it takes to roll with this.

Is there any industry that caters to a basic human desire that can ever 'crumble' or 'be destroyed?' of course not.

UT

Banned4Life · Jul 21, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I mean it seems that everyone is now using online escrow such at neteller and paypal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not Paypal. Paypal was forced to stop doing business with gambling sites due to legal pressure. And regarding Neteller... what if the government decides that NT is a "facilitator of online gambling"?

Oh fukk it... I don't know what ever possessed me with the thought that being unable to transfer money in or out of gambling sites would have any effect at all on these businesses. Carry on.

wilheim · Jul 21, 2004

Congress finds that--

(1) Internet gambling is primarily funded through personal use of payment system instruments, credit cards, and wire transfers;

(2) the National Gambling Impact Study Commission in 1999 recommended the passage of legislation to prohibit wire transfers to Internet gambling sites or the banks which represent them;

(3) Internet gambling is a growing cause of debt collection problems for insured depository institutions and the consumer credit industry;

(4) Internet gambling conducted through offshore jurisdictions has been identified by United States law enforcement officials as a significant money laundering vulnerability;

(5) gambling through the Internet, which has grown rapidly in the half-decade preceding the enactment of this Act, opens up the possibility of immediate, individual, 24-hour access in every home to the full range of wagering opportunities on sporting events or casino-like contests, such as roulette, slot machines, poker, or black-jack; and

(6) the extent to which gambling is permitted and regulated in the United States has been primarily a matter for determination by individual States and, if applicable, Indian tribes, with Federal law serving to prevent interstate or other attempts to evade or avoid such determinations.

SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON ACCEPTANCE OF ANY PAYMENT SYSTEM INSTRUMENT, CREDIT CARD, OR FUND TRANSFER FOR UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING.

JayC · Jul 21, 2004

There may be one thing they are overlooking here. The bill that passed the House had no criminal provisions. That's because the judiciary committee in the house did something to the original Leach bill, I can't remember what this moment. So Bachus introduced his bill which has NO criminal provisions. The Kyl bill in the Senate DOES have criminal provisions, therefore there is no way to reconcile this bill with the house bill because the judiciary committee would have to alter it in a way that is unacceptable to its original backers.

The Senate Kyl bill goes with the House Leach bill. The Leach bill is dead.

The Bachus bill doesn't match up pwithe Kyl bill.

It could all just be a show. But please write your representatives anyway.

canuck23 · Jul 21, 2004

HOw much money is there in gambling offhsore, how much do lobbyist make, how do you enforce all the laws in the usa on teh rest of the world.

Not to mention fake boobs were illegal at one point too

THE SHRINK · Jul 21, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jay C:

There may be one thing they are overlooking here. The bill that passed the House had no criminal provisions. That's because the judiciary committee in the house did something to the original Leach bill, I can't remember what this moment. So Bachus introduced his bill which has NO criminal provisions. The Kyl bill in the Senate DOES have criminal provisions, therefore there is no way to reconcile this bill with the house bill because the judiciary committee would have to alter it in a way that is unacceptable to its original backers.

The Senate Kyl bill goes with the House Leach bill. The Leach bill is dead.

The Bachus bill doesn't match up pwithe Kyl bill.

It could all just be a show. But please write your representatives anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Jay for the comment...

Consider it done on my end...

Ken

JayC · Jul 21, 2004

I just read some of the old articles.

THe judiciary committee stripped out the exemptions for horse racing and state lotteries in the original Leach bill. SO the Leach supporters fearing it could not pass with out the special interest carve outs came up with the Bacchus bill. The Bacchus bill has the exemptions for the horse racing abd lottery but to get around having to go through the same judiciary committee, it has NO criminal provisions.

The Kyl bill does have criminal provisions, and I do believe it has some exemptions like the original Leach bill.

wilheim · Jul 21, 2004

Proposed criminal provisions for S.627:

Sec. 5365. Criminal penalties

`(a) IN GENERAL- Whoever violates this subchapter or the rules or regulations issued under this subchapter shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.

`(b) PERMANENT INJUNCTION- Upon conviction of a person under this section, the court may enter a permanent injunction enjoining such person from placing, receiving, or otherwise making bets or wagers or sending, receiving, or inviting information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers.

wil.

JayC · Jul 21, 2004

Exactly Wil,

The bill that passed the House was the Bachus bill and that doesn't have the criminal penalties.

Banned4Life · Jul 21, 2004

So this "internet freedom" site is scaring people for no reason? Is that site merely for the purpose of collecting information for either the gov't or commercial mass-mailing lists? I'm glad I posted this because at least the correct information about this bill came out.

Fishhead · Jul 21, 2004

B4L- Your a tremendous asset to this forum with your topics.

oldmantime · Jul 21, 2004

So which bill are they trying to pass the one With or Without criminal penalties?

wilheim · Jul 21, 2004

S.627 the one Kyl is hoping to get thru the Senate has the criminal penalties.

wil.

newton0038 · Jul 21, 2004

Move to Canada. as long as you don't mind the Feds stealing 60% of your paycheque, then getting humpped at the cash register for another 15%. But alas we can still gamble on the net for the time being, but just not too large as there is not much left from the weeks pay to make anyone think that I am a kingshit money launderer!