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Gentlemen,

I know I have asked before (and I know you have called before and I missed you), and I do not want to become a pest, but will one of you please give me a ring at 800-214-9666 at your convenience. I would like to discuss how we might be able to get a higher grade from you folks. I will be here all weekend. Thanks a lot.

Jake
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake:
Gentlemen,

I know I have asked before (and I know you have called before and I missed you), and I do not want to become a pest, but will one of you please give me a ring at 800-214-9666 at your convenience. I would like to discuss how we might be able to get a higher grade from you folks. I will be here all weekend. Thanks a lot.

Jake <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Why is that pathetic? If there is something wrong with the book that Jake is unaware of that may be easily corrected that is keeping the rating down, then what is the harm of Jake trying to find out what it is so he can fix it? Sounds to me like SBR is handling it pathetically, if anyone, by not contacting him after he has seemingly been trying to get in touch with them.
 

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To be honest with you, it would seem very FEW people would rate SPORTBET below a C..... at the very worst.

The D+ given at SBR is surprising to me.

If they have their honest opinions as to why this book should be rated that low, they have that right.

Remember, SBR is just one or two individuals opinions as far as I know, so lets not forget that fact.
 

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For a sportsbook that's been around since the pioneer days, Sportbet clearly deserves a higher rating...

I also share the view that the rating is not accurate...

Sportbet also deserves a response...

Ken
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Pathetic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO, YOU ARE PATHETIC SIR...

the guy is simply trying to get feedback on how to improve his business...

He is one of the only GM's that communicate with Players in the Forum's...

Nothing wrong with that IMO... To be Frank, SBR's rating to me seems unrealistic... Unless there are things I do not know about...
 

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Jake:

I have called you in the past, more than once. You have not been available. You do have my phone number, if you wanted to talk to me, you could call me.

Now, the fact itself that you would rather communicate via forum, leads me to believe you're trying to draw attention on the SBR rating of SportBet and open the issue to discussion. Since it's your choice to discuss this openly, I would like to state my opinion regarding the business model of Sportbet.

Let's discuss this:

1. As Ken correctly states, your company has been one of the pioneers in the industry. However, the business model applied in the shop you run has not given room for tangible expansion. If you compare Sportbet's business model with shops that were established AFTERWARDS, you will see that these newer shops have outgrown SportBet. I believe you're running a well-structured organisation, I have personally tested your e-mail responsiveness SBR Rating in Responsiveness for SportBet: A- and I have done so OBJECTIVELY. The grade shown above shows that.

However, I personally know what the work ethics of at least one of the owners of Sportbet are, and I understand that despite of being bound by a corporate contract, you will have to agree with me that he's not the sharpest business man out there. Behind the scenes, there are various things that would indicate that running a profitable business is really low in his list of priorities. I could post examples, but I don't think it's necessary and I would have to disclose information that has been given to me in confidence. I have comitted that mistake in the past and I not fond of making the same error twice.

2. Until earlier this year, your reputation as a resource manager allowed the owner of Sportbet to profit from you providing turnkey services to other companies. Up to recently, Sportbet was providing phone and bandwidth services to at least 5 other books, all of them part of the BetMaker umbrella. However, due to intestine disputes, the BetMaker family has moved into their own offices. Sportbet is no longer perceiving the revenue generated by this turnkey solution. This fact alone leads me to believe your index of Return On Investment has been affected negatively.

3. I currently possess information that would indicate these intestine struggles for power have prolonged. In my understanding, a house divided cannot stand. If you wish for me to disclose further info publicly, please let me know here; but I would strongly recommend that you check with your superiors before you make a decision.

4. You had discuss with John the possibility of disclosing the information on the books. To this day, this possibilty has not been concreted. If you want to do that, please forward all the info to assistance@sportsbookreview.com. I can guarantee you we will report back the facts.

In short, SBR rates any given company based on:

<LI>Bonus structure. In my opinion a 50% bonus is bad for business and bad for the industry, as it forces other companies to compete on bonuses rather than in quality of services and competitiviness of lines. Your offer of this type of bonuses right before NFL can be viewed as a sign of weakness, despite of how targeted the campaign was... and it was very targeted, I believe towards squares.

<LI>Customer Service. I think I have made very clear my position regarding your ability as a resource manager. However, we get a lot of correspondence from players that were able to get their issues addressed only after they contacted you personally. I believe that's a sympton of inefficiency by your underlings. I have given your company credit where credit is due. The e-mail repsonse received by SBR was published and rated as one of the best responses we got.

<LI>Financial Structure. Sportbet ownership has internal issues and they need to be addressed immediately, as they might have a very negative effect on your performance as a company.

<LI>Ease of use of the website and the software that powers it. Your website could be enhanced to make it a lot easier for the average player to browse through it and place bets.


Once again, the sole reason for me to be posting here is becasue you wanted to address this issue publicly in the forums. I have no agenda against the company you run. As a matter of fact, I always believed we got along pretty decently. But I take pride on my work and it's my ultimate intention to remain as professional and factual as I can. I am working on creating a publicly available CRITERIA for players to understand where the Ratings come from.

However, I want you to rest assured that the team I lead applies this criteria uniformly. We make no exceptions and have no agendas. We investigate and post the hard-core facts.

I believe that by being 100% accountable for the job I do and my opinion and the fact that I'm always willing to openly discuss them with anybody in a rational way, is the only way to run a company of the nature of SBR. I understand my position as a General Manager in this company as a compromise with reporting ONLY the facts about this industry.

If you wish to address me personally, you can call me. I believe you have my digits or you can shoot me an e-mail to will@sportsbookreview.com
 

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Will what happened
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Hey Angie;

Yes it's me, it's all good. I have called Jake various times in the past and he was not available. I left messages with his employees and I never got a call back, I thought whatever issues he wanted to ask me about, were addressed already.

Then I was given a heads-up on this thread. His post makes me believe he wanted to discuss this publicly, so I did.

I think Jake is a great resource manager, but I cannot ignore the things that I mentioned. If he wanted to know why the rating, he got my answer.

What's wrong with that? As I said, I take pride on my work and I like to be a man of my word. My ultimate compromise is to the players; so I try to be as clear as possible, in order to avoid grey areas.

Hope you're doing well, Angie.
 

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Will.

The 50% bonus with a max of $250 has been around for a very long time. It is nothing new. THere is nothing wrong with the website. Definitely better then the site that royal and betjm use.
 

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IMO, SBR is out to make cash, and will not last. Statements on personal issues of books owners, LOL, wow, like they are public companies and I am sorry, the book business has so many church goers running it. When I gamble, safety in my money, the clinical anal SBR reviews , has anyone ever really gone into the history of the people giving them?

well, just an opinion, but have seen so many in other inudustries try to change the watchers (unite them, control them, standardize them) never works. Especially in as turbulant and ever changing industry as offshore gambling.
 

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will some excellent points

poor jake he is great but he cannot do it all himself

outside looking in cs sucks and always has...it needs a big improvement

owners/piece guys have little interest in the business but "show me the money"...and there is one guy boy he is uselss as tits on a borehog but then what could you expect from a brit trying to make decesions for an american based business. the other partners/owners excel in spending profits with condos on the beaches and lavish cars.

speaking to jake recently he says some things have/are changing and i believe that to be true with some of the chiefs leaving the tribe and other tribes leaving the settlement..thus reducing the bs in the office.

i have told jake time and time again to get out before its too late and save face. he has always assured me of things to come and things will change for the better. you know that place better than me so i leave it to him.

jake love ya brother and wish nothing but the best for you and the folks you work for.

will its good to see you out and about.
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Kudos to SBR for such a thorough response...

However, given all of what was posted, let's stick with the most important criteria for rating sports books...

Do gamblers get paid when they win at Sportbet and do gamblers have an avenue to contact them when disputes arise?

The answer to BOTH questions is unequivically YES...

Thus, any type of a D rating is simply too low, in my opinion...

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Walk of Life- Not choosing sides here, but the Sportbet 50% bonus has a $250 cap on it.

Many books give away much more than this, be it through bonuses, contests, promos, low-vig, etc.
 

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I echo the sentiments of SHRINK, FISHHEAD & others in this thread...

IMHO WILL's answer = ALOT OF HOT AIR...

to be very honest... every book is only as reputable as their last paid CX...

Pinnacle, OLY, even Bowmans or William Hill could go down tomorrow even though they all have extremly solid reputations...
 

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Not to beat a dead horse but...

The BEST ratings don't come from SBR, MW, or RX...

There is absolutely a conflict of interest whenever ad dollars are involved, therefore the best opinions on sports books come from the posters, period...

THE SHRINK
 
Will,

Thanks for the response. I want to start by saying your post strikes me as being on the defensive. My intent was not to attack, but simply to ask you to contact me...in a very similar fashion as I have done in the past. However, I will shortly address your issues, since you chose to do so in such a meticulous manner:

1) A- is not so bad...we must have Fs all over the rest of the report card to warrant an D+.

2) When the GSC books left, EVERYTHING in our company got better, internally and externally...for one reason or another. Basically, your statement..."This fact alone leads me to believe your index of Return On Investment has been affected negatively." is based on speculation from someone who has not seen a single piece of evidence to support his theory AND does not know the internal workings of the company. Sorry, brother, but I hate to disappoint...this is our best off-season in 5 years. In fact, lately, we have been joking about it being high season already.

3) Whatever information you have, if you consider it so damaging, I encourage you to share it with me. I have no idea what it might be, but I would be happy to listen to what you have to say. Please do so in private jake@sportbet.com

4) John has never requested information like that when I have spoken with him, so I assume it was with someone else with whom he spoke.

As for our bonuses, as even the posters have pointed out...the 50% bonus is only up to $250 and is a ONE TIME THING. We want our clients to become familiar with alternate deposit/withdrawal methods, so as to make their money transfer process a little easier.

My Customer Service Department strives to do its best. The level of service has clearly improved as stated all over these boards as of late. I would have to say, if you tested us, it was not lately. Please give us a shot and test us again. I am confident that SBR will willingly change its mind in that regard.

As I stated, financially, Sportbet is in a very strong position right now. We have paid every single client to date, owe no clients, and have no pending payouts or slow pays. Many posters here can attest to the fact that they have been paid and paid quickly. Whatever "inside information" you think you have is wrong...flat out, Will.

I AGREE about our website. As I stated in another thread a few days ago, Sportbet.com will be rolling out a new look for our site in the very new future. So, I will let you know when it happens and you can tell me what ya think.

We did have a good relationship, Will. However, that grade was up there BEFORE you arrived on the scene. We spoke when you first got to SBR and you said you would see what we could do and that you would talk to John. Well, for one reason or another (meetings, vacations, trips, etc...) we never got to pin you guys down for a phone call.

IF I HAD YOUR NUMBER, I WOULD NEVER HAVE POSTED ASKING YOU TO CALL ME. I did get one message that you called, but that was it. My numbers are posted all over the place, thus I thought it would be a quick fix for me to post to you.

Honestly, Will, I am tired of having to try and "prove" myself to SBR. If you are an objective site, you will see that Sportbet is being done a great disservice by giving them a D+. If you are not, well...so be it.

I do wish you the best in all that you do, sir.

Jay,

Things are so very different from when you were here and when the big man was working here. It is like night and day. The useless one of which you speak has also left the office and moved to the other side of town. I am honestly glad I never left, as I am 1000% confident that my predictions from the past will ring true in the future.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Not to beat a dead horse but...

The BEST ratings don't come from SBR, MW, or RX...

There is absolutely a conflict of interest whenever ad dollars are involved, therefore the best opinions on sports books come from the posters, period...

THE SHRINK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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