wantitallformoi (best prices)

Pinnacle had the best price on the following.

Los Angeles (-134)
LA LOST (0-1)

Seattle (+124) next best price was OLYMPIC.
Seattle LOST (0-2)

Tampa Bay (+100)
TB LOST (0-3)

Minnesota (+110)
Minnesota LOST (0-4)

I know its one day only, but your system took a whacking on day 1.

The point is that if any action Pinnacle would have earned due to them having the best price, would have been losing action. Call it what you will, but it is one day that supports my point that cutting Pinnacle out of your options might have saved you a little money yesterday. (using closers)

Good Luck today.

Iron.

Nothing better then a one day sampling to prove your point. I'm convinced. I will never bet at Pinnacle when they offer the best line again. Great job Ironlock...Best Wishes...OF

What about when Pinnacle at one time of day offers the best price on Team A and then later in the day has the best price on Team B. This happens rather frequently. Does your head explode? Just curious.

Often they have both best prices on team A and team B. I am still trying to figure out what all the commotion is about. Is Ironlock being childish by saying see I told you so, to moi, after one day? Come on now, one day of sampling is hardly basis for a sound argument. And what is the argument again? That Pinnacle is too sharp to bet at? I wish I was so smart not to bet at a book that offers the best price. Someday I will smarten up...Best Wishes...OF

OF-
Please stay out my threads. Wantitallformoi and I both understand that a 1 day sample proves NOTHING. You however, clearly are behind the curve on all things sharp.

I will ignore you from now on.

D2Bets-
Good point. I had thought about that and knew someone would say it, but I am talking about usable information...and for arguments sake will stick with closers. It is simply impossible to discuss the topic and use the various numbers at random throughout the day.

I'll say it one more time. I have never said Pinnacle is a useless book. I have never said that they are a book for stupid people or losers. I am saying that if you are inclined to bet the best price all the time (using the close), I think you'll lose less cutting out plays that PInnacle induces.

My head is exploding by talking to people who have comprehension problems.

If one more person acts like I said Pinnacle is good for NOTHING...my head WILL explode.

Iron.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OMNIVOROUS FROG:
Nothing better then a one day sampling to prove your point. I'm convinced. I will never bet at Pinnacle when they offer the best line again. Great job Ironlock...Best Wishes...OF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a sound financial move on your part Frog!

Trust me!

iron, I think using closers is exactly opposite of how to use them. First of all, how the heck can you use that when by the time it closes, well, it's closed and you can't bet it anywhere. The way to "use" Pinnacle's opinions (and they don't have one all, or even close to all, games) is IMO to use their OPENERS, or at least very early early leans. Ya know, the -6+104/+6-114 when the rest of the world has -6-110 and even some -6.5's. That's where you can see their opinion. Because rather often with these overnights, low and behold that line will be -4.5 the next day and yet they might end up closing at +4.5+104 when the rest of the world has +4.5-110. If you use their closing line then you would pick -4.5 at the "right side" but if you used their opening line you would pick +6 as the "right side". The reality of it is that they could of course BOTH be the right side in that they've created a nice, cheap middle for themselves. But what I'm saying is you cannot take one snapshot of their lines, especially closing ones, and assume that they bear out their opinion on the event. They often play around with the lines late, sometimes maybe even to get some action on "the other side" to balance out their action.

Again, bottom line, if you want to use Pinnacle's opinion, use their early, overnight line and not their closing line.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ironlock:
Pinnacle had the best price on the following.

Seattle (+124) next best price was OLYMPIC.
Seattle LOST (0-2) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WSEX had Seattle +125.

Ok.

I like you Ironlock, I like being in your threads. I am not calling you a liar, or accusing you of past posting, or saying you lack ethics. I think I will post in all of your threads, so I can be sharp like you, I have so much to learn, is that your goal to smarten up the forum?...Best Wishes...OF

Ironlock,
All you have to do is past post a few dozen "locks" and you'll be in Froggy's league

Can't remember a posted lock, maybe you are confusing me with your idol SHRINK. Lander, I will add that to my list of baseless accusations. Over two pages...OF

Unfortuantely I was playing cards most of the day yesterday and do not have all the line changes and values throughout out the day.

I made a list of where Pin was "off" before I left. Again, I wasn't home to see the closing numbers there.

Dodgers opened -124 there, and they opened -130 or so everywhere else. I can only assume that they got hit everywhere, not sure of how the lines moved all day.

The Cubs that opened -219. That was the best number of anywhere at the time, most places had them -230 or so, again not sure where they ended up, Pretty sure the other side took money, so a debateable one, as Pin was offering less before the line moved that way. But they still won. So I canonly assume that people who wanted to bet the Cubs still got the best number at Pin.

They also opened Atl at -109, they were between -115 and -120 at a few places, so there is another example of where the "best number" won.

Florida as well, when I posted yesterday they were +107 (where they opened)at Pin most places had Ev/-110. Acouple others hade -105/-105, so at that time Pin was 7 points better than anyone I saw.

Hou opened -189 at Pin, and I know they were over -200 everywhere, (because of the deeper hold) Not sure where they ended up at Pin , but most places closed at -215/220.

Col was +176, and that was by far the best number. I think the second best I saw was +170 at Canbet, but most had +165. Not sure where they closed at Pin, I bet they went up even further, but I think SF took some money everywhere, so that one might be debated, but I know when I posted they had Col 6 to 11 cents better than everywhere else.

Oak opened -191, which was the lowest I saw anyhere at that time, and they did win, so I can concede that one, but again I didn't see where it closed at Pin, I know they closed -210/215 in town.

Again I wish I had been around to track all the numbers like I usually do. But at the time I posted yesterday moring before Ileft the numbers in Fishhead's post in the RR were the numbers Pin was "off" at least a nickle on one way.

Now we can debate all day, and like I said, it is all timing with them. But in the games I listed in that thread, and above Pin was much lower on the openers.

But I posted NINE game BEFOREHAND, at bets 2 of Pins "better" numbers won, one is debateable, and 6 definately lost.

So while you might pick and choose the games AFTER the fact, you missed a few that at one point Pin was far and away better on, and "lost".

But I can't debate where Pin closed, nor can I give the line changes that undoubtedly occured. But I can look at the closing numbers I see and make an educated guess thatOin held the better numbers all day, because they do about 80% of the time.

But if need be I can get the line closures, and moves. But I don't want to keep wasting time with this. Everyone has their opinions, and no one is going to change their minds now.

But just in case you want to look at some games today...

Pin is -166 now on Mil, the next best is -172 at Canbet, most are at -170/175. Actually that one just went to -168 as i was typing.

In the SF/Col game they have the best number on Col +230, and tied with everyone on SF -250. But that is due to hold more than anything.

All the other games they are inline, maybe a cuple cents better than the market, but nothing that stands out, and nothing like it was yesterday. But on Thurs tha moves are early, fast, and furious.

I took a look at Pinny leans a while back and didn't find anything particularly practical. Like everyone is saying, it's going to depend on timing, lines at other marketds, movement, etc. Most don't have the time to follow it closely enough to really decipher it.

I will say you can see some nice moves O/N and in the early AM that may be worth looking into.

WKile now they are right in line they did have some openers yesterday that took some hits...

LA opened -219 move to 235, then -238, now back to 234

Cards opened -134, git up to -143, bought back alittle now.

SF mentioned this one above, but they opened -239, so quite a bit better than -250. But then again most guys aren't going to bet a -240 fave, but they have here for some reason.

Interesting move with Oak, opened -126, quick shot up to -131, and 10 minutes later was down to -125, then has been took steady hits and got up to -140, has gome down to -134 again. But a lot of money both ways (seemingly) in that game.

May be the same thing in TB/Bal before all is said and done. Initially TB took the first money, now Balt has creeped back up.

Same in Bos/Ana Opened Bos -141, Ana took enough moneyt to get Bos to -125, now Bos taking money and up to -133 again. But a huge swing in that game. That is one where Pin stil has the bestnumberon Bos, but only by a penny or two. I have to think they took some srious money on Ana there, and are just looking for some money on Bos to help out.

I don't use the RX live lines, but I use a coupleothers, but I am sure the RX has them time stamped as well. But since I watch the lines so much I recognize the patterns. The money moves I mentioned above are pretty much the result of two or maybe 3 guys. But two always stick out.

If you look at the time stamps at 00:51, sveral bets were made that moved thelines. Then at 1:01 several other bets were made. Almost always the later bet takes advantage of one of the earlier bettors line move.

But I have given these two "mover" their own persoanas, and anyone that does look at the openers, and the moves recognize it. There are some others that come in later as well, and when you look at time stamps there you can see those as well.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OMNIVOROUS FROG:
Can't remember a posted lock, maybe you are confusing me with your idol SHRINK. Lander, I will add that to my list of baseless accusations. Over two pages...OF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ficticious lists of accusations should complement your ficticious wins quite well, Mr Past Poster.