50% or more of the drivers are degenerate gamblers who will virtually do anything to cash a few thousand...# Top drivers are barred from Northfield Park after looting 2.1 Million from the tri and super pools over a 2 year period....Balmoral in Chicago another joke...judges dont even care..racing commissions are impotent....Top drivers walter Case is a cokehead ..Herve Filion barred for cheating....sad commentary on industry but all is true...At Hazel Park in Michigan drivers love to finish second on heavy favs to allow them to cash juicy exactas the public would never touch. Am I right or am I right?
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Care to elaborate? Mentioning NFL and Harness in the same sentence using the word "fix" is halarious. I have gotten info at Hazle Park & Northville that was so good that the result could not have been accomplished without a fix.
Watched a friend who was a trainer tell a handful of people how sound his horse was, then turned to me with a grin and said he was lame. went off a 5-2 never pulled and ran dead last. Of corse it came in 8-1 followed by a 6-1 and the exacta paid a whopping $32.00 grocery dollars.
My favorite was the superfecta scam at Hazel Park years ago. Driver stiffs the chalk and the super comes up real lite. Racing stewards investigate and find out the tickets came from the Driver (Pat Edwards I believe) and his family. I got lots a stories and I imagine other horseplayers who have been on the inside have way,way more.
Care to elaborate? Mentioning NFL and Harness in the same sentence using the word "fix" is halarious. I have gotten info at Hazle Park & Northville that was so good that the result could not have been accomplished without a fix.
Watched a friend who was a trainer tell a handful of people how sound his horse was, then turned to me with a grin and said he was lame. went off a 5-2 never pulled and ran dead last. Of corse it came in 8-1 followed by a 6-1 and the exacta paid a whopping $32.00 grocery dollars.
My favorite was the superfecta scam at Hazel Park years ago. Driver stiffs the chalk and the super comes up real lite. Racing stewards investigate and find out the tickets came from the Driver (Pat Edwards I believe) and his family. I got lots a stories and I imagine other horseplayers who have been on the inside have way,way more.
There is holding on EVERY play in football. If you don't think certain refs blow the whistle certain times then you are crazy. Refs control EVERY football game! Also I had tips given to me personally from Trainers, Owners, jockeys & drivers. The only ones I believe is from the person CONTROLLING the horse during the race and thats the jockey or driver.
A trainer telling you his horse is lame and running him anyhow is NOT a tip, thats is flat out cheating. A trainer importing illegal snake venom to act as a preformance enhancer and rattling off 4 $20.00 + winners in a week is cheating. Drivers sitting around a bar drinking and snorting coke talking about how a race is going to set up that they are participating in the next night is cheating. If anyone has known people inside the game they will tell you for a fact many races are fixed. It just depends what your definition of cheating is.
I agree luck is still needed. But the track take along with all the other bullshit is too much to overcome. Harness is a dirty game and getting worse
I agree luck is still needed. But the track take along with all the other bullshit is too much to overcome. Harness is a dirty game and getting worse
I knew Casey when he was racing in Maine years ago, believe me the guy cheats. He can win 1000 races a year and he still stiffs a few now and then.
I knew most of those guys way back when George Brennen, Case, Dave Ingraham, Poley Mallar, Jim Hardy. All of the guys that got started in Maine and Massachusetts. I used to make so much money off those guys it was a joke.
When you are racing for 50 bux a ride, and a tip who isn't going to cheat/ Even the owners cheat, what doeas half a $1500 purse mean when you can run out of the money and make that 3 or 4 times over in the tri? Especially if you are 3/5 and "unbeatable"?
Unless you have the tip you cannot bet harness racinf period, not even at The Meadowlands. Except on the huge race days when they are racing for the big bux.
I knew most of those guys way back when George Brennen, Case, Dave Ingraham, Poley Mallar, Jim Hardy. All of the guys that got started in Maine and Massachusetts. I used to make so much money off those guys it was a joke.
When you are racing for 50 bux a ride, and a tip who isn't going to cheat/ Even the owners cheat, what doeas half a $1500 purse mean when you can run out of the money and make that 3 or 4 times over in the tri? Especially if you are 3/5 and "unbeatable"?
Unless you have the tip you cannot bet harness racinf period, not even at The Meadowlands. Except on the huge race days when they are racing for the big bux.
Stories Stories Always a FRIEND our THEY said. Then why at these small racetracks. are half the horseman dead broke .You can go to any ractrack and hear in the grandstand that the races are fixed then dont more than 1 person in a hundred win. Most of the fixed races are manufactured by touts At the racetracks I use to race at there was so much jealousy among horseman you could not get them to agree on the time of day.
Back in my younger days, I was handicapping the thoroughbreds with a calculator and charts, etc. I tried doing the same with the harness horses. Losing and losing and losing.. Then one night a friend of mind who new a driver real well kept cashing while I was continuing to lose or bet 2 bucks on his selection. After the races on this particular night where my buddy made a KILLING, we met up with the driver that my buddy new. He told me--"do you still think that the trotters can be handicapped with a calulator" ? I said no. He said " Don't get on the train till you talk with the conductor".
ellen they are broke and they cheat all for the same reasons... greed.
I guess you have never heard too much still isn't enough.
Guys that win money gambling are also dead broke most of the time. That is the nature of the beast.
A guy cashes a $2000 5 team parlay and is busted within a week. Or a guy gets on a run in blackjack at a casino and he is down to the felt when he leaves the table.
They don't know when to quit. That and they either drink it, smoke it, or snort it all.
Pat Valenzuala is a perfect example, not sure if he cheats or not, but he didnt have to. the guy could be making MILLIONS of dollars a year riding horse, but he can't even go near a track, because he is a frigging drug addict.
He MADE millions so it isn't like he was dead broke, but he is now. It is all about the lifestyle.
Granted he is a jockey and not a driver, but shows that even in the upper eschelon of racing their is a bad element that takes control.
With money there is a strange phenomenon. The EASIER money is to get the less VALUE it has to a person. That is why guys that gambe and win pissit away, because it was goten so easilly. Just like the guys that cheat and win they piss it away just as fast because the next pay day is only a race away.
I guess you have never heard too much still isn't enough.
Guys that win money gambling are also dead broke most of the time. That is the nature of the beast.
A guy cashes a $2000 5 team parlay and is busted within a week. Or a guy gets on a run in blackjack at a casino and he is down to the felt when he leaves the table.
They don't know when to quit. That and they either drink it, smoke it, or snort it all.
Pat Valenzuala is a perfect example, not sure if he cheats or not, but he didnt have to. the guy could be making MILLIONS of dollars a year riding horse, but he can't even go near a track, because he is a frigging drug addict.
He MADE millions so it isn't like he was dead broke, but he is now. It is all about the lifestyle.
Granted he is a jockey and not a driver, but shows that even in the upper eschelon of racing their is a bad element that takes control.
With money there is a strange phenomenon. The EASIER money is to get the less VALUE it has to a person. That is why guys that gambe and win pissit away, because it was goten so easilly. Just like the guys that cheat and win they piss it away just as fast because the next pay day is only a race away.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FISHHEAD:
HORSES, HARNESS, CRAPS, ROULETTE, SPORTS, SLOTS, VP, BJ, etc..............almost anything can be rigged at one time or another.
Very very very few harness races are RIGGED. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please tell me the last statement is a joke. If it isn't then you are WAY OFF BASE.
HORSES, HARNESS, CRAPS, ROULETTE, SPORTS, SLOTS, VP, BJ, etc..............almost anything can be rigged at one time or another.
Very very very few harness races are RIGGED. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please tell me the last statement is a joke. If it isn't then you are WAY OFF BASE.
