I GIVE THEM A 9½ OUT OF 10. NOT GREAT ORIGINALITY ON THE LINES BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OPTIONS LIKE QUARTERS AND TEAM TOTALS. I RATE THEM ON PAR WITH GRANDE AND A BIT HIGHER THAN PINNACLE ONLY BECAUSE I CAN CALL AND TALK TO SOMEONE ANYTIME WITHOUT A HASSLE. PAYOUTS ARE THE FASTEST OF ANY OF MY OUTS. BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS SO EMAIL ME IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. SAME FOR GRANDE, PINNACLE, CRIS AND OLYMPIC IVE KNOWN THE FOLKS BEHIND THESE FIVE BOOKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS!