Earning Bonuses - Rollovers & Money Lines

osu2winbig12 · Oct 14, 2004

I sent $60K down to three sports books this fall for my new system. So far, things are going well. I'm up $18,025.

Anyway, before the season started, I phoned several sportsbooks who are members of the OSGA. I told them all my plan, which was to primarily play money lines in CF with a few sides and totals. One said they wouldn't count money line play towards the roll overs, so I scratched them from my list.

I decided on three books who all said that money line play would count towards the rollover bonus. I asked this questions specifically before I sent the money.

Anyway, I play a lot of dogs on the money lines. These wagers are counting (as far as I know) towards my rollover requirements. But if I play a favorite, like for example Miami -9.5 over Louisiville tonight, that would be -385 or $7,700 to win $2,000.

Would the $7,700 count towards the rollover?

Later,
osu2winbig12

Illini · Oct 14, 2004

osu2winbig12 said:
I sent $60K down to three sports books this fall for my new system. So far, things are going well. I'm up $18,025.

Anyway, before the season started, I phoned several sportsbooks who are members of the OSGA. I told them all my plan, which was to primarily play money lines in CF with a few sides and totals. One said they wouldn't count money line play towards the roll overs, so I scratched them from my list.

I decided on three books who all said that money line play would count towards the rollover bonus. I asked this questions specifically before I sent the money.

Anyway, I play a lot of dogs on the money lines. These wagers are counting (as far as I know) towards my rollover requirements. But if I play a favorite, like for example Miami -9.5 over Louisiville tonight, that would be -385 or $7,700 to win $2,000.

Would the $7,700 count towards the rollover?

Later,
osu2winbig12

I would sincerely doubt it. 2K towards rollover is how I would consider it, if I was the book.

TheGeneral+ · Oct 14, 2004

I believe illini to be correct.

osu2winbig12 · Oct 14, 2004

So if I lay $2,200 to win $2,000 on a side or total, which number is used to figure the rollover? $2,200 or $2,000?

Thanks,
osu2winbig12

SportSavant · Oct 14, 2004

IMO, you guys are worng.... That is absurd.....

the Rollover is based on "AMOUNT RISKED" not "AMOUNT TO WIN"

Hitman26 · Oct 14, 2004

OSU:

All books count the low side of the bet toward the rollover. Think about it like this if I sent 1,000$ and got a 20% bonus but I had to roll it over 10x I could say give me a 10 game parlay (all moneyline dogs of course) risking a dollar to win $18,000. Now if you were the book which side would you count toward the rollover. Anyway they count the base amount towards rollover requirements and the base amount is always the lowest.

Goodluck

Halifax · Oct 14, 2004

SportSavant said:
IMO, you guys are worng.... That is absurd.....

the Rollover is based on "AMOUNT RISKED" not "AMOUNT TO WIN"

The vast majority of books count the "RISK" amount towards the rollover ($7,700 in the example cited).

The most notable exception to this rule is Hollywood, who counts the lower of the Risk amount and Win amount. Another one is Cascade, who have recently changed their way of calculating rollover ... they now do it the same way Hollywood does (using the lower of Risk and Win amounts). To Cascade's credit, they state this in their written rules ... I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think Hollywood does state this in their written rules, and a lot of people get a rude awakening when they try to cash out.

PanchoSanza · Oct 14, 2004

I'd like to know wher you found +385 to offset it since we know damn well you're just whoring out your money.:heh:

Doug · Oct 14, 2004

I say amount risked counts, you could lose the $7700.

How about a hockey game over 5, lands on 5. I think that can count ( at some places) also. The money was risked.

royalfan · Oct 14, 2004

Halifax- With all due respect sir, it is simply false that a vast majority use risk amount. The vast majority. as in nearly all, use the risk amount on a dog and the win amount on a favorite. I challenge you to name one book that does it how you say the vast majority do.

Halifax · Oct 14, 2004

DougJ said:
I say amount risked counts, you could lose the $7700.

How about a hockey game over 5, lands on 5. I think that can count ( at some places) also. The money was risked.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter what we think, since we don't make the rules.

I think the way Hollywood calculates the rollover is a bit too tight. A more equitable method would be to count the lower of the Risk amount and Win amount on winning bets, but count the full Risk amount on losing bets. Using this method with the $7,700 example, $2,000 would be counted if the bet wins, but the full $7,700 would be counted towards the rollover if the bet loses.

Halifax · Oct 14, 2004

royalfan said:
Halifax- With all due respect sir, it is simply false that a vast majority use risk amount. The vast majority. as in nearly all, use the risk amount on a dog and the win amount on a favorite. I challenge you to name one book that does it how you say the vast majority do.

Pure and simple .. you're dead wrong.

Pinnacle, Olympic, and WSEX (to name 3 prominent books) calculate rollover using the Risk amount.

osu2winbig12 · Oct 14, 2004

I called BoDog customer service just now. The lady I spoke with says that they figure play for rollover purposes based on the risked amount. Risk $2,200 to win $2,000, the risked amount is $2,200 and that's what they use to figure the rollover. Risk $7,700 to win $2,000, they use $7,700 to figure the rollover amount.

Later,
osu2winbig12

Doug · Oct 14, 2004

The risk amount is common. Pro "bonus whores" use it and hockey ov/un 5 a lot to roll over quickly.

Now how about an NFL game lined at 3. Hits the number. I think many count that toward the rollover. It was at RISK.

I go over bare minimum requirements, but will take bonuses. They help to make up for Pan-ams, Blue Marlins, etc.

royalfan · Oct 14, 2004

Halifax- So you are saying in the case of say Olympic or pinbet or wsex that I send in 5000 and get a 500 bonus which would be roughly 25000 that needs to be wagered to roll it over. Then lets say i send in 20000 more and get no bonus and play one wager on Oklahoma on the money line this week at -1450 and play 25000 to get 1724. You are saying the money is now rolled over and bonus is mine? I think you are sadly mistaken. I sure wish it worked that way!!!! All that would count is the 1724. That has been my experience everywhere.

Doug · Oct 14, 2004

royalfan said:
Halifax- So you are saying in the case of say Olympic or pinbet or wsex that I send in 5000 and get a 500 bonus which would be roughly 25000 that needs to be wagered to roll it over. Then lets say i send in 20000 more and get no bonus and play one wager on Oklahoma on the money line this week at -1450 and play 25000 to get 1724. You are saying the money is now rolled over and bonus is mine? I think you are sadly mistaken. I sure wish it worked that way!!!! All that would count is the 1724. That has been my experience everywhere.

I believe it to be rolled over. Wether they take 25k in one shot ( without moving the line), is another story. You could lose that 25K.

defend · Oct 14, 2004

I have a question regarding rollover.......I posted up with book #1.....got my 20% bonus.......played for a week....got up about a thousand from my initial 1k deposit........i have an 8x rollerover requiremement........i know i know....it is steep, but anyways.....i think i have rolled it over maybe 4 or 5 times so far....

last night i discovered that they have really soft lines in overnight tennis matches......i found a ton of scalps and want to know the answer to this question......

if i lose my money in this sportsbook #1........but obviously since i am scalping the bet somewhere else, it is being credited at the sportsbook #2.......if i re-deposit new money into sportsbook #1 .......am I generally still required to rollover any money from the first deposit?? OR since i lost all of that money from the first deposit, that the new money is mine and there is no restrictions on it?

I will not be receiving a re-load bonus with this book, as i am not interested in one....their rollover requirements are too steep and their lines are pretty sharp in most of the sports i bet......

Doug · Oct 14, 2004

Defend: That depends on the book. I think most will not require a roll-over as there is no re-up bonus. Call the book and clarify, even confirm it by e-mail.

royalfan · Oct 14, 2004

Also be very careful that you carefully check the tennis rules before scalping. Rules vary from book to book and it is possible to lose one and push one if not careful.

defend · Oct 14, 2004

oh yes......i just realized that book #1 with the soft lines does NOT cancel bets if the player retires as long as one serve is made.......while the other book cancels all bets if one of the players retires early