Handicapper's/Posters 10 Commandments...(0r more...)

SportSavant · Oct 22, 2004

many post selections in the various sports forums.... Unfortunately it is difficult to weed through the many posts & find the diamonds in the rough....

Any Capper/Poster should, follow these commandments....

1) Though shall not post play's with lines that are no longer available or without referencing where the odds are available in the case of 'strange' numbers...

2) Though shall not use 'ridiculous' unit rating systems that nobody can follow....

3) Though shall not inflate one's record by not counting the 'buying of 1/2 points' or deleting losses from one's record....

any more folks?

wilheim · Oct 22, 2004

Don't post a play after the game has started.

There is nothing wrong with write-ups but they are not absolutely necessary when an accurate YTD record is posted.

Post YTD record if possible at least in the particular sport.

Use common easy to understand terminology when posting plays or wirte-ups.

wil.

charleslanger · Oct 22, 2004

Without intending to be combative-- i understand perfectly the reasons behind this thread:

Reason #1 can be very politically tricky: to bite the hand of the book that feeds you-- maybe even incurring getting barred.....
also am very leery about making the 'good guys' giving us gifts to jump through hoops: wouldn't want any to post less or go away.....

Regards.

Doug · Oct 22, 2004

All are good. Ridiculous units is best. 1-5 units allows plenty of variation, 1-10 if you must go that far. At least start at one, you can bet .25 units for example.

Wouldn't that be funny ? A winning guy that plays to win .1 units ? I'd like to see that. :manwh:

SportSavant · Oct 22, 2004

dont know what you think the motive is?:think: ....

I simply find it hard to weed through the 100's of posters....
feel if there was some sort of unwritten code....

kind of like wil says:
"at least a sentence or two on why you like the play..... OR.... an accurate record"

it would be alot easer that HYPE, CAPS, BOLD & much more useful to readers....

additionally, I do not feel that we need to worry about the "good guys" not sharing gifts, as the good guys for the most part I beleive conform to reasonable standards....

wilheim · Oct 22, 2004

As far as posting lines go imo there is no sense posting a play at a number no one can find. That is just chest thumping, post a play posters can use if you don't want to disclose where you bet the game fine but make sure the number you use is at least availabe somewhere on our live lines feature.

wil.

charleslanger · Oct 22, 2004

SportSavant:

I meant i was on the same page.... I agree with everything said here by everyone: i pretty much ignore most besides a handful-- don't have the time-- for the reasons you commenced this thread-- thanks for starting it btw.

Doug · Oct 22, 2004

wilheim said:
As far as posting lines go imo there is no sense posting a play at a number no one can find. That is just chest thumping, post a play posters can use if you don't want to disclose where you bet the game fine but make sure the number you use is at least availabe somewhere on our live lines feature.

wil.

That's cool Wilheim: I respect Wong's site for that reason. You can't post a questionable line there. They will chew you up and spit you out for not meeting their standard of WA ( widely available). It's a tough standard. It rings of honesty, but they do sell picks. Interesting dilemna ! I don't buy picks !

Glaken · Oct 22, 2004

You know this is a great thread Sport....and Wilhelm I like your take on this, too.

I have never understood why someone would post up and say...

Hey take Houston +134
Under 9

When its just as easy to type.....

Hey take Houston +134
Under 9
(Pinnacle, Hollywood)
10:35 A.M.

This way everyone can find it quick.

There oughta be a law!!!!

Glaken · Oct 22, 2004

As far as the YTD records...they aren't that credible unless all picks were made and posted on this forum and preferrably under the same thread for each sport. Take "The Guru" for instance, his tennis and soccer YTD record is simple to verify if you know how to navigate around the Forums. The guys in the NFL - CFL and College football forumns are really good at following the "Commandments."

As far as the unit play...it really doesn't matter. What ever our fellow posters can afford to wager is what they will wager (hopefully), the winning percentage for a Capper remains the same. So I don't see the logic in going over 1 unit or 1 clam, or 1 dollar.

WorldRunner · Oct 22, 2004

My Rules...Written by myself...for myself.

1) Never bet on Boston College Hoops program (Dog or Favorite)
2) Never bet a money line of 220 or more.
3) Never bet a Double Digit favorite in the NFL. Never...I don't care how much you like the game... Don't do it.
4) Never bet a road favorite of more than a touchdown in the NFL.
5) Never bet a large college favorite on the road...before or after a big game.
6) Never bet on sports you don't know...simply because some "Expert" posted a play on the forums
7) Never bet a defensive running team as a double digit favorite against a team who's had a tough schedule.

I think that covers most of them.

TheGeneral+ · Oct 22, 2004

It is a definate and obvious sillyness to post a play on a forum when the line is not avalable anywhere. The excuse we see mostly is I got it from a local. That does no one any good.

nysports · Oct 22, 2004

What a great thread! The only thing is, that if every one of the "chest thumpers" followed these rules you wouldn't have nearly as many views as you have now. I particularly like the newest "gimmick" of not starting out to great in any particular sport and then changing midway by either not posting a record anymore or changing the size of the "units" that you play.

1cheater · Oct 22, 2004

SS, great subject matter, but the fact is the best and ONLY way to weed through the pretenders is to put in your time here (atleast 2 years) and read, read, read!

I do totally agree with all the points raised here, very good conversation, but not much more.

panther · Oct 22, 2004

in ncaa

guy goes 15-1

look up his posts. its not their

lol

panther

panther · Oct 22, 2004

fvck before last weekend. I was hitting 59% in college and pro. I fvckin tanked in college last week.

at least my record is right

thing about it the book's that I use could care less about the rx.

you win you get paid. you lose you pay

I wish the mods would call some of the bullshiters

panther

oldmanTED · Oct 22, 2004

Agree with most that has been said here, but would like to mention one thing about posting a line and use my thread this week as an example. There are outs that provide a free half point daily or on particular days. Often times, I'll wait for an opportune time to get the free half point. This won't always be reflected in the RX Live Lines or in many cases directly at the particular out. I thought about showing something like ("free half point"), but of the six games I posted, three included the half point. My feeling was that it would begin to clutter up the post a bit. Point is that at some point as a poster you can only try your best to show the line you received and hope the viewer, if he/she chooses to follow, has the means to transfer funds and find the out with the line you have quoted. Finally, often times, by the time more readers pick up on your thread the lines may have moved, such as when USC played Cal. That all being said, there is no justification for quoting lines from the past, inflating or deflating lines whatsoever.

GREENHEAD · Oct 22, 2004

Well said OMT.

Coach LT I hope your reading.

wilheim · Oct 22, 2004

I feel handicappers that post picks need to leave ego out of the process. Some posters like to post about betting games at early (now changed) numbers and that is fine but it does little to help others looking for a play later. The term "widely available" probably best describes the line cappers should use when posting picks. Natrually no can be blamed if the number is gone a day or two later. My point is if you use a WIDELEY AVAILABLE number at the time of the post no one has a right to beef if the number later moves. The free half point is obviously worth using for bettors who have outs in those shops but imo should only be used if the cappers thinks his play is a play ONLY with the free half point and NOT a play without it.

Another point is YTD records - quite natrually ONLY posted picks here at this site that are verifiable by other posters should count in YTD records. Can a capper use numbers from other sites in his YTD - sure, but as far as I am concerned I would not pay any attention to that particular capper. We cannot as moderators edit every pick post or even grade them for accuracy. I know it is not easy to go back through old posts to check posters claims from weeks past but a YTD record can with some effort be verified if that record is ever doubted. Just random like or lean picks have no way of being tracked and should be used with caution by followers. Many of you guys know whcih cappers have solid reputations but always be alert for newcomers who show promise as solid handicappers.

As far as units go I like OMT's method of 1 thru 3 unit or 1 thru 5 unit plays. What is a unit many ask - for me it is my basic bet amount eg. $500 - natrually making 2 units $1000 - others use a % of bankroll which may be better for money mangement purposes. eg. 1 unit = 2% of bankroll etc.

Moderators try to keep bickering out of the main sport forums as best we can. 95% of our cappers are very curteous with the small minority causing trouble from time to time. Just remember before you flame or attack other posters that you may end up in the Rubber Room or get edited at some point even warned and then banned as a last resort. Contrary to what some believe we do not like to ban anyone and do so as a last resort.

Bottom line we are all trying to beat the bookmakers which is not ever easy.

Best of luck, wil.