Soccer Ticket - Need Help

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

I've always stated 5Dimes is my favorite book but I'm feeling quite screwed right now.

I bet KAN WIZARDS 90 MIN/SJ EARTHQUAKES 90 MIN Under u2½ -128 and sat down to watch the game.

I was delighted to see that the score was 2-0 KC at the end of 90 minute and felt relieved when KC scored a third goal at the 91:30 added time mark.

5Dimes graded the ticket as loser and when I called to inquire why, I was told by "Jim" that ALL SOCCER WAGERS included the "added time".

The rules are posted very clearly "Unless otherwise specified, all soccer wagers are official on the result at full time (90 minutes of play + referee stoppage time).

I wagered on the total specified for 90 minutes. That's pretty specific to me!

Jim ended our conversation by saying he would NOT honor my wager.

Who's right and who's wrong here?

Glaken · Oct 31, 2004

General will help....and see this thread. If the General can't fix it...It can't be fixed. (MNF excluded)

Glaken · Oct 31, 2004

I was just re-reading your post and it seems that at the end of regulation the "official referee time" would have been 88:30 and the added time was completing the official time.(90 minutes not 91:30)

I hope I'm wrong for your sake.

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

glaken said:
I was just re-reading your post and it seems that at the end of regulation the "official referee time" would have been 88:30 and the added time was completing the official time.(90 minutes not 91:30)

I hope I'm wrong for your sake.

Here's the official MLS site showing the third goal was actually scored after the 92nd minute:

stomie · Oct 31, 2004

I recommend going to sportsadvisory.com maybe they can help

bombay24 · Oct 31, 2004

I read it the same as glaken. I believe that the referee stoppage time is the "added time" that you speak of. Pretty sure of it actually!!

winbig · Oct 31, 2004

unfortunatelly for you, the third goal was scored in 'referee stoppage time'.

'referee stoppage time' = time added to clock by officials. it is a part of regular time and officially a goal scored in 93rd minute will go into books as a 90' min. goal.

Glaken · Oct 31, 2004

I'm sure General Pete can help you with this...that book is well respected. At worst I would think they make it a non-wager and credit your money back. Also, they will probably be editing their Soccer rules page.

I hope you win, G

Halifax · Oct 31, 2004

glaken said:
I was just re-reading your post and it seems that at the end of regulation the "official referee time" would have been 88:30 and the added time was completing the official time.(90 minutes not 91:30)

I hope I'm wrong for your sake.

I agree with glaken - unfortunately, your bet is correctly graded as a loser.

The "90 Minute" reference implies that Overtime is not included. It's not referring to the 2 or 3 minutes of extra injury time.

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

win big said:
unfortunatelly for you, the third goal was scored in 'referee stoppage time'.

'referee stoppage time' = time added to clock by officials. it is a part of regular time and officially a goal scored in 93rd minute will go into books as a 90' min. goal.

Yes, normally the wager would include "referee stoppage time" UNLESS otherwise specified:

Unless otherwise specified, all soccer wagers are official on the result at full time (90 minutes of play + referee stoppage time).

This wager was SPECIFIED 90 minute which would not include the "referee stoppage time".

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

Halifax said:
I agree with glaken - unfortunately, your bet is correctly graded as a loser.

The "90 Minute" reference implies that Overtime is not included. It's not referring to the 2 or 3 minutes of extra injury time.

If this is true, it really sucks. :mad:

stomie · Oct 31, 2004

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Have you tried going to sportsadvisory.com maybe they can help

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

The "90 Minute" reference implies that Overtime is not included. It's not referring to the 2 or 3 minutes of extra injury time.

The thing is, normally overtime does not exist in soccer.

What does the 90 minute specification mean in regular season?

stomie · Oct 31, 2004

Have you even tried going to sportsadvisory.com they have helped a lot of people

Glaken · Oct 31, 2004

I think that overtime in Soccer refers to a "shoot out" at the end of regulation when the game is tied. Now I'm curious and going to look at a few other book's Socccer rules. Guys, why don't you do the same....Euro books that deal with Soccer everyday, etc.

Will get back to you soon,G

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

The way I see it is my bet was specified for 90 minutes NOT regulation and therefore the wager should be honored.

sportsadvisory · Oct 31, 2004

Thanks G.

stomie · Oct 31, 2004

From the rules I saw at sportsadvisory.com it seems like the right call

winbig · Oct 31, 2004

regulation time in soccer = 90 min + 'referee stoppage time' (usually 2-4 min) also called 'injury time'. the 'referee stoppage time' is a part of regulation time and a goal scored in that period, lets say in 93rd minute is officially scored in 90th minute. unfortunatelly your wager is a loser.

overtime in soccer = 2 x 15 min + penalty shots if teams are stil tied.

referee stopage time has nothing to do with overtime.

stomie · Oct 31, 2004

Why don't you give the guys at sportsadvisory.com a chance to solve your problem?

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