At what point would you be asked to leave ?

WorldNumberOne · Nov 10, 2004

What monthly figure would it take for some or most books to consistently lose to a player before they politely showed them the door ?

5 grand a month

8 grand a month

10 grand a month

higher ?

I'm not talking about a player that always scalps, middles or hedges his way to that figure. Just someone who is flat out good at picking winners.

Just wondering what the consensus is around here.

Thanks.

Fishhead · Nov 10, 2004

Any DECENT bookmaker would not care if somebody made 100,000 a month.

Volume and proper bookmaking are the keys to successful profits for the intelligent bookmaker.

DNoonan · Nov 10, 2004

depends a lot on the book and if the player is consistently beating line moves, no rule of thumb IMO

Dante · Nov 10, 2004

World Number One said:
What monthly figure would it take for some or most books to consistently lose to a player before they politely showed them the door ?

5 grand a month

8 grand a month

10 grand a month

higher ?

I'm not talking about a player that always scalps, middles or hedges his way to that figure. Just someone who is flat out good at picking winners.

Just wondering what the consensus is around here.

Thanks.

I never have to worry about that CHIT!!!:bite1: :neenee:

WorldRunner · Nov 10, 2004

World Number One said:
What monthly figure would it take for some or most books to consistently lose to a player before they politely showed them the door ?

5 grand a month

8 grand a month

10 grand a month

higher ?

I'm not talking about a player that always scalps, middles or hedges his way to that figure. Just someone who is flat out good at picking winners.

Just wondering what the consensus is around here.

Thanks.

If all you can get is 5-8 grand a month I doubt the book would ever even notice that.

WorldNumberOne · Nov 10, 2004

i suppose higher figures should have been used for my question.

i imagine you cruise along at 20 to 30 grand a month somewhere at your limits may change to make it a little more difficult to achieve.

maybe not.

PatrickMcIrish · Nov 10, 2004

Revere posted this about 1.5 years ago that I saved in a folder about books, not even sure how accurate it still is but might give you an idea of what's what and who's who.

Here is how several sportsbooks react to sharp action. Every book has their breaking point, so if anyone can help expand this list I would appreciate it:

1. Bet365. Lower limits to about 10% of normal. Please note that they react to STEAM action --not necessarily winners.

2. Canbet. Lower limits to 20-25% of normal. They react to $40-$50k winners or more.

3. Heritage. You won't get far here. They will close your account and send you a check if they don't like your action. They are not very tolerant and even small winners or a few steam plays will get their attention. Apparently they were much more tolerant in the past, but they remain very polite.

4. Intertops. Will send a courteous email telling you that your limits have been lowered. You can win $10-$20k before this happens. Steam will make this happen much sooner.

5. Pinnacle. They will lower your limits to $500 across the board. They don't bother steam players, just big winners ($100k or more).

6. VIP. They will change your account to "phone only." If you try to call in a play they don't like (steam, for example), they'll change the line after you tell them what you want to bet. This will happen after 5-10 steam plays or winnings of $10-$20k.

7. Wagerstreet. They will lower your limits. This will happen if you play steam or bet any of their "unique" lines. I am not sure how this place stays in business as they make a LOT of mistakes -- I have seen several games with one team at +100 and the other at +120. They will allow about $5-$10k in winnings or a couple steam plays or ONE bad line bet. Don't be fooled by their "instant approval" system... if your account is flagged they wont approve much.

8. WSEX. If you win $50-$100k here they will flag your account. What this means is that ALL wagers require manual approval from them. When this happens, you won't be able to place any wagers after hours, as there will not be anyone there to press the "approve" button. The good news is that they are fairly reasonable about approving wagers from sharps. Their software automatically moves lines based on action, but after a manual approval they usually will move it by hand.

WorldRunner · Nov 10, 2004

Yeah... That's why you have to keep a balance at many of them and not bet everything at one place.

poopah · Nov 10, 2004

of course the really smart bookmakers, once they have labled a player as extremely sharp, not a line movement beater, but just flat out good, they will simply keep him around and not limit him too much so they can play his plays for themselves at another book, and make money off him. ps, I am up over 6 figures with pinnacle and never been limited.( in a two year span)

blueedwards · Nov 10, 2004

depends on the book. sia will boot you after $8,000 or so. i doubt pinnacle would boot anyone...even if they won $100,000 or more.

WorldNumberOne · Nov 10, 2004

W/R , I have 11 shops and have always thought it best to try and be a small fish in many ponds instead of a big fish in one.

The more i see though, it appears that i would actually be a minnow in the ocean even if i were to play at one place only.

Poopah,

Congrats to you on your success and thanks for the info.

McIrish, Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

valueman · Nov 10, 2004

depends on the book - stanley's - now stanleybet.com closed my account after one, yes ONE bet. it was a 20/1 winner i backed at early morning odds - it won at an SP of 11/2. I had no insider info on the horse but had just followed it all season and was waiting for fast ground.

Won about $3k on the horse and had letter & phone call closing my account.

Noreaga+ · Nov 10, 2004

I would think the smart books would make money off of the sharp players who consistantly beat them

drunkguy · Nov 10, 2004

Noreaga said:
I would think the smart books would make money off of the sharp players who consistantly beat them

You think right

problem is, not that many smart bookmakers out there

Of course, even less smart bettors, so if you can stick to a "square-only" clientele, you aren't doing bad for yourself either

Whoson1st · Nov 10, 2004

I finally figured something out about WSEX Interactives. Used to think that when you bought or sold shares it was because there was a buyer or seller at that particular price. Now I know I was a complete idiot to think that . You are simply buying or selling at whatever price they might make for YOUR account. (This of course depends on the game situation too).

Still my favorite place!

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