Mark Cuban of the Mavs starting a HEDGE fund by hiring TOP gamblers to bet sports

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My New Hedge Fund





I’ve decided to start a new hedge fund. However, this hedge fund won’t invest in stocks or bonds, or any type of business. It’s going to be a fund that only places bets. A gambling hedge fund. It won’t be me figuring out what bets to place, or what games to play. This is a fund. I will find the best and the brightest, with a confirmable track record and hire them.

It’s an idea whose time has come.

I have bet on stocks long and short for about 15 years now. I’ve done very well. There has already been one hedge fund started based on my trading results. In those 15 years, I have learned that despite all the claims and books written about efficient markets, the trading of individual stocks are not efficient. There are always people trading on better or worse information. There are always people trading on emotion rather than logic. There are always people trading on hopes of the big hit. What Peter Lynch would call the “10 Bagger”. They were gambling. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It’s not unusual to hear people refer to trading stocks as no different than going to Vegas. They are right. Gambling is gambling.

The question really is, which gives the opportunity for a better outcome?

If you play the slots in vegas, you can read what the payout ratios are for each casino. 97 pct. 98 pct. If you play long enough, the casino will end up with 2 or 3 pct of your money. Unless of course you go up to the winning side while you play, and quit while your ahead.

The stockmarket equivalent would be to buy an At The Money Long Term (LEAP) Put for 2 or 3 pct of the stock price. The put would protect your downside for several years, and the stock would only have breakeven or upside potential over that period. It’s a nice thing, except that it’s much, much, much more expensive than 3 pct. As a point of reference, IBM which is trading at about 94 today, has a price of $5.90 for Jan 2006 95 puts. It’s $7.90 for Jan 2007 puts. Just to protect yourself on the downside for less than 2 months, till the 3rd week of Jan 05, will cost you $2.40, or about the same percentage as the hold the house puts on you in playing slots in Vegas.

Of course tha’ts for slots. If you play blackjack. The odds are better and every now and then in your favor. If you play poker, you are playing against the other players, and the house only takes its commission. Just like your broker takes its commission.

Unlike the stockmarket, you know the rules exactly. You know without question, the house is going to play by the rules. The gaming commission appears to actually enforce rules of play, unlike the SEC.

And then there are sports bets. Like any other investment or bet, the question always come down to whether there is good information available, who knows how to use it better, and who is the competition and are they smart or not.

Honestly, I don’t know if the best and brightest go to Wall Street or Vegas. I don’t know the number of gamblers via sports books in vegas vs the the number of gamblers, I mean investors, in the stockmarket.

I do know this. Most casual gamblers, who are the majority of the money spent, go to vegas expecting to lose money. It’s part of the entertainment experience. People put money in mutual funds and in their brokerage accounts and pick stocks expecting to make money. They don’t find any value in losing money on a stock, fund or other traditional investment. That changes the opportunity completely.

How efficient can a market be when the majority of investor expect to lose money? The sportsbooks know this. They know the difference between smart and stupid money.
They set odds in order to attract as much emotional, stupid money as it possibly can. It also knows that this emotional money will skew the odds and bring in the “smart money”. As a result, they have learned to lay off their investments so that they are just taking their cut off the dollars invested rather than trying to outsmart the smart.

To me, this suggests the smart money is better than just good. It’s very good.

Which raises the question of “How did the smart money get smart ”, and do they get better returns on their bets than investors can buying the S&P500? Can it significantly outperform the S&P as this new fund would be expected to do?

The smart money doesn’t brag about their results, but in the minimal reading and conversations I have had, it’s the same people coming back over and over again. The smart money people are doing something right on a repetitive basis.

When you think about betting on sports, there really is far better information about your local sports team than there is about any local business in your market. The local papers cover the team every day. The local TV station gives a report about every game. There are radio stations who cover them for hours at a time. That’s far more information than you get about Tyco or Computer Associates or NFI.

In sports, when someone does something wrong, they pretty much tell you the next day or two. Someone suspended — You know it. Someone hurt — They report it, and do a better job of policing that than any industry watchgroup.

And stats? my goodness. There is no comparison. You can tape everything and create your own stats, which I’m sure every “smart money” gambler does. There are public play-by-plays of every game. There are websites that analyze every which way from sunday every action and inaction of every player in the game.

There also is no such thing as insider information either. Player and team reps can’t talk to known gamblers, but do they really need to?

Reporters are there after every practice to interview the players and coaches. They ask the same questions that every gambler wants to know, if only so they know who to pick for their fantasy teams. They also get to see and report on who is there and who isn’t and who is limping and who isn’t.

That’s far better than we get from public companies. Not only can they not disclose material information on a daily basis, they try their very best to hide their actual performance when they are required to supposedly disclose all information.

Public companies play so many games with their numbers it’s ridiculous. Should they expense options or not? Per forma vs GAAP? One time write offs? Buying company after company? Writing down inventories then reselling them?

My favorite is beating the estimates by a penny quarter after quarter. Could you imagine a team that beat its competition by 1 point every game? Business, like sports, is not that predictable.

That’s not to say that the information is so good that this is a slamdunk investment. Sales don’t get closed, product cycles get pushed back, drugs don’t work as expected and players drop passes, miss shots and get hurt.

The argument can be made that this is much riskier than a bond, where unless the company goes out of business, you get paid the interest rate. Pick a strong company or the government and you are relatively safe. All true. That’s why i love bonds .

You could also make the argument that when you buy a stock, you own part of a company. Legally it’s true. In practice it’s not. For non-dividend paying companies, you have nothing but a piece of paper. The only hope you have if that company starts to decline is to find someone who will buy it from you.

A sports or blackjack or poker bet doesn’t have value beyond that game or hand. In that respect it’s just like the hundreds of millions, if not billions ,of options that are traded, but never converted, on stocks, commodities and other assets around the world every day.

Just what hedge funds do on a daily basis, and just what I plan on doing
 

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How and where do we appply? :103631605 Also, how he is he allowed to do this if he is an owner of a professional basketball team? :WTF: Makes no sense to me.

SB
 

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Is this is a practical joke!

There is no way he can do this owning a professional NBA team.

If so, there will be no betting on any NBA games.

I guess the Maloofs own THE PALMS, so anything is possible.

Where do I apply?
 

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Fish,

We can work together :)

Shrink, Fish, MC....

LOL

we can move those lines.....

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Gentlemen..

Cuban is discussing something I and others have discussed about doing for years..Its like a great tout who manages and bets his players $$ for them..Like a stock report the player would get every night e mailed to him his plays and his exposure..

People have party planners, they have stockbrokers, they have therapists..Why not have someone who wages for you?..Same principle..At the end of each month you get a statement that tells you the margins and results..

Think of the possibilities..Like a hedge fund might make a big play on a stock..a gambling fund would do the same thing..The fund because of its public information, could place huge wagers on games..The legalities would have to be explored, but the principle in thoery is quite brilliant..

The dollars are also post up..So if a gambling fund was to make a huge wager, the rebate from the book might be included in the margins..Each fund could make separate agreements with each book that would benefit the player..

"THERE IN NOTHING MORE VALUABLE THAN GOOD INFORMATION"

The information regarding weather, player injuries, game trends, travel logs..etc..is readily available to the wagering public..More so than info readily available in the stock market..In all major cities there are reporters travelling full time with these franchises, and they are privvy to info that they then transfer to the gaming public on a daily basis..

In the early 90s I used discuss this possibility with all my buddies..The premise is brilliant..The actual excercise of putting this theory to the test might be quite difficult..If Mark wants to pave this road, I wish him well..

Barry Warren
 

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2 years ago i actually had 3 buddies who wanted to invest 5 grand each and let me play how i saw fit.

i eventually said no . i dont mind using my own money , but got a little nervous with theirs.

i would have felt horrible had i lost some or all of it.
 

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eventually you get buried betting sports

other than horses and lottery the worst investment anyone can ever make
 
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WORLD..

This venture is not for the weak or conservative..This is to lose or double your dollars over a relatively short span of time..This concept is not for someone who wishes to speculate..(unless of course its a future like team totals..etc..)

This entity is to explore the possibilities of having a gambling fund where those who wish to be involved come home like eating dinner, and have their plays on the plate for them..It someone just creating another fullfillment in your life..

Like BEAR STEARNS of MORGAN STANLEY send their customers statements..This fictional firm would send out theres..Like TOUTS and certain prognosticators in the gambling industry, these statements would justify their services by proving profits..

If these gambling funds became a force in the market, books would prospect for their business..I would..
 

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The irony of this all...

Anyone who's sharp enough to pick winners and know gambling doesn't need a job doing it because they clean up at the books.

So I'm not sure I understand this...
 

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World Number One and Sportsbettingtrivia and anyone else,

I thought that you guys would find this interesting. A good friend of mine is the owner and operator of a gambling fund that is run out of Las Vegas, similar to a way a mutual fund would work. This is how he does it. A investment of $2500=1/2 unit, $5000=1 unit and so on, with $2500 equaling a half unit. You can invest as much as you want. A unit bet is $100. If one were to invest $10,000, you would purchase 2 units in the fund, and would be betting $200 a game. The fund has 4 primary handicappers. 1 for baseball, 1 for college and NFL football, 1 for NCAA basketball and NBA basketball, and 1 for hockey. The fund's year is comprised of 4 quarters. Every 3 months, you would revieve a check with the money earned from betting the games that the fund bet with the money that you had invested. The fund would never bet too many games. Usually 1-3 games a day in baseball and basketball, and maybe a total of 7-10 games on a football weekend. Not every day a bet was placed. Only smart bets were palced, never "action bets". The fund would make their money by charging a 20% management fee per quarter. Whatever your winnings were for the quarter, the fund would take 20% out for their service. If you had won $1000 for the quarter, you were sent a check for $800. The fund has had only one losing quarter in the 11 years that it has been in operation. The fund combined hits at 56-62% on average. All bets are for 1 unit always. Never more, never less. The fund would usually make a 60-70% return on their money per year, with a couple years getting more than 100% return on the money that you had invested. Now tell me what mutual fund does that?

SB
 

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