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anyone think Big Ben has a little bit left of an AXE to grind for not going #1....He can prove to the Giants management ( as if he has not provben that already by going 11-0) that he is the BEST QB in the 2004 draft and the Giants PHUCKED up....:dancefool
 

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BIG BENS LAST LOSS AS A STARTER ...........opening day in IOWA CITY last year.

Iowa Hawkeyes 21, Miami (Ohio) RedHawks 3

Score By Quarters
Miami (Ohio) 3 0 0 0 - 3
Iowa 7 7 0 7 - 21

Scoring Summary
First Quarter - (5:28) Miami (Ohio) - Jared Parseghian 21 yard field goal
(0:00) Iowa - Aaron Mickens 7 yard pass from Nathan Chandler (Nate Kaeding kick).
Second Quarter - (0:15) Iowa - Fred Russell 1 yard run (Nate Kaeding kick).
Fourth Quarter - (10:43) Iowa - Maurice Brown 28 yard pass from Nathan Chandler (Nate Kaeding kick).

Passing - Miami (Ohio), Ben Roethlisberger 42-27-4-250; Iowa, Nathan Chandler 19-12-0-129.

FOUR interceptions for BIG BEN in Iowa City.

Hard to imagine this was JUST a little over ONE year ago.
 

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Big Ben does have an ax to grind BUT Eli has 3 more years before folks can truly say that he was not the best QB in the '04 draft. Eli has a LONG way to go to catch up to what Ben is doing. Ben also has a better team around him.

I was never a big fan of this deal but I also probably wouldn't have select Big Ben either. IMO, they should have traded their second for Henson and selected Gallery with the first. If Gallery wasn't available then select Rivers, or Big Ben. To trade for Eli was just crazy but he could be the franchise.
 

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The Peelers should be thrown out of the league if they lose this game.

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truthteller said:
Why would Eli start over Warner?
I will not watch another minute of the Giants this year if Warner starts. The Giants have virtually no chance of making the playoffs. Given that Eli is the "future" and the future is now (the team said as much when Warner was benched) get the kid the snaps and let him develop. Warner was and is a lame duck so the team winning a few games this year under his leadership means NOTHING. Eli getting experience means much more to the franchise. If anything Coughlin's error was pulling Warner to begin with but MOST folks watching the games would agree, Warner played very poorly during the beginning of the losing streak.
 

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theswami said:
Big Ben does have an ax to grind BUT Eli has 3 more years before folks can truly say that he was not the best QB in the '04 draft. Eli has a LONG way to go to catch up to what Ben is doing. .

One for the Thumb

By Jack Tipton
Tuesday, December 14, 2004

It’s now 24 in a row for Big Ben, and in the new edition of the Thumb, the Ben Roethlisberger Experience returns to SteelersLIVE ‘Xtra. This week, the Thumb explains why the rookie quarterback may never lose. This week’s topic is:
What are the top 5 reasons why “The Streak” of Ben Roethlisberger will continue?

5. His toughness - One of Roethlisberger’s most admirable attributes is his toughness, which has been on display in the past couple of weeks thanks to increasing defensive pressure. Roethlisberger has been sacked 16 times in the past four games, and the week-in and week-out wear and tear is taking a toll on the tall youngster’s body. Roethlisberger missed practice earlier in the week due to a sore quad, and has been visibly limping on the field during games. On a third down against the Jets, Roethlisberger took a sack from 285-pound defensive end Shaun Ellis and appeared to hyperextend his knee while falling to the ground. Roethlisberger stood up, limped off the field, and prepared to go to work on the next drive.

His teammates love him for his gritty tenacity and his willingness to play through pain. His fans love him for his ability to find ways to win football games. His coaches love him for making them look like football geniuses with every great play. Roethlisberger’s love for playing the game, despite not being 100% physically, is an important factor in his streak-extending success.

4. The schedule – The Steelers have three games left in the regular season, and victories in all three are certainly within reach. Roethlisberger meets his rookie quarterback counterpart Eli Manning next week in New York to face a 5-8 Giants team that has not won a game with Manning running the offense. On the day after Christmas, Roethlisberger gets a chance to thank the team that gave him the opportunity to play this season – the Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens are currently hanging on to the sixth and final AFC playoff spot with an 8-5 record, and their presence on the ripped-up turf in Pittsburgh will transform Heinz Field into a playoff atmosphere. The final game of the season is on the road against a red-hot 7-6 Buffalo Bills team that has won four straight entering into Week 15. The Bills need to win out to have any chance at the playoffs, and the Steelers need to keep winning to stay ahead of the Patriots for home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Can Roethlisberger lead the Steelers to wins over these three teams? Absolutely. Will he achieve the unthinkable in winning 14 straight during his rookie season? Time will tell, but chances are likely that Roethlisberger will certainly make things interesting.

3. His leadership – An astounding aspect of Roethlisberger’s achievements to date is his ability to command respect from his veteran teammates. After a controversial quote from Alan Faneca earlier in the year calling Roethlisberger a “little young kid right out of college”, the 22-year old quarterback responded by rattling off 10 straight victories – proving to Faneca and the rest of his fellow Steelers that he could be an effective leader on this football team.

Roethlisberger is well-respected by his teammates for three reasons: 1) he hasn’t let his accomplishments go to his head 2) he consistently repeats the message that he is only part of the team’s success, not the sole reason and 3) he wins football games. To be a leader after only 11 ½ games in the NFL speaks volumes about the player Roethlisberger already is right now and the player he will become in the future.

2. His play in the fourth quarter – All the greatest quarterbacks play their best football in the fourth quarter. Unitas, Elway, Marino, Montana, Favre – the list goes on and on. Based on his play this season, Roethlisberger could be an addition to this list – if he continues over the length of his career to win football games in the fourth quarter like he has this season.

The numbers are amazing. In the fourth quarter, Roethlisberger has a passer rating of 118.6 with a 75.9% completion percentage, six pass plays over 20 yards, four touchdown passes, and only one interception. In the fourth quarter when the Steelers are within seven points, his passer rating spikes to 119.3. When the team is behind, Roethlisberger has thrown six touchdowns, completed 74.3% of his passes, and has a passer rating of 113. Looking at these statistics, it is visible that Roethlisberger thrives when the game is on the line – which is an encouraging sign for “The Streak” as the Steelers roll on into the playoffs.

And the One for the Thumb goes to…

1. His teammates - Roethlisberger’s exploits have not gone unnoticed on a national stage, as the story of his ascension to glory is arguably the biggest surprise in the NFL. Most pundits believe that Roethlisberger’s gaudy win totals are a product of his powerful surrounding cast – a statement that is partially true. Roethlisberger does have one of the best supporting casts in the NFL. The offensive line of the Steelers is above-average, and at times overwhelmingly dominant. The bevy of running backs for the Steelers have all contributed heavily to the team’s success. Roethlisberger has a trio of receivers in Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Antwaan Randle El that is as good as any in the league. On top of all that, Roethlisberger plays on a team that is owner of the best defense in the NFL. It seems a case could be made that it should have been impossible for Roethlisberger not to succeed with all of these weapons at his disposal.

The stone-cold Thumb truth is this: “The Streak” of Ben Roethlisberger is a perfectly blended combination of Ben’s abilities as a quarterback and his team’s ability to respond to his play. Roethlisberger has the rare talent of being able to make those around him better, a quality reserved for only the greatest in sport. “The Streak” will continue because of the unwritten pact between Roethlisberger and his teammates: do whatever it takes to win. There is no question Roethlisberger has unbelievable talent. There is no question that the Steelers have a plethora of talent to complement Roethlisberger. Together as one dominating unit, the 2004 Pittsburgh Steelers can achieve greatness, with the ultimate goal in bringing the elusive “One for the Thumb” Super Bowl championship back to the city of Pittsburgh.
 
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Eli Manning is a joke! The only other QB in the NFL that has the look of "deer in headlights" worse than Eli is Kerry Collins!
 

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Eli has such a crybaby aurora to him. its disgusting. Eli wanted the midgets, now hes stuck with the midgets.
 

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Big Ben wouldn't have won 11 in a row if he had the pathetic Giants offensive line to block for him.:nono5:
 

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Big Ben wouldn't have won 11 in a row if he had the pathetic Giants offensive line to block for him.:nono5:
maybe not but would win more then 1 in a row :WTF:
 

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From the post above....it says it all here



Roethlisberger is well-respected by his teammates for three reasons: 1) he hasn’t let his accomplishments go to his head 2) he consistently repeats the message that he is only part of the team’s success, not the sole reason and 3) he wins football games. To be a leader after only 11 ½ games in the NFL speaks volumes about the player Roethlisberger already is right now and the player he will become in the future. :suomi:
 

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Dante said:
maybe not but would win more then 1 in a row :WTF:
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No doubt Big Ben is a STUD. Seriously, it is possible that not even Ben would have won one game during this streak. The Giants are bad, bad, bad and very injured. Toss on top of that Eli has faced in addition to the Skins:

Atlanta
Eagles
Ravens

Teams that the Steelers could beat but I don't know if the Giants could even with Ben. You could argue that the Giants would have beat the Skins with Ben at the helm but to that I would say that Ben doesn't play D and would not have prevented the Giants from making Ramsey look like Montana.

Even Warner couldn't beat the Lions, Bears, and Cards with a relatively healthy team. I'm not saying that Warner is good but what I am saying is that those teams are bad and Eli has a lot to do with how bad the offense looks. He is not solely or responsible for the losses and does not have a major role in the fact that the team is losing.
 

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Swami..good post Sir and nice to see you bumping around...
 

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Eli reminds me of one of those guys you want to tie up in gym class. Big Ben actually has a personality.
 
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