Shaq Fouls Out But Still Better Game Than Kobe

HacheMan · Dec 25, 2004

Shaq: 11-19 FG - 24 Points - 11 Rebounds - 3 Assists - 3 Blocks - 1 turnover

Kobe: 12-30 FG - 42 Points - 3 Rebounds - 3 Assists - 1 Steal - 9 Turnovers

AND Shaq wins the game.........

docmercer--banned · Dec 25, 2004

and based on what I saw I would take Wade over Bryant if I was building a team from scratch ...

Wade is a superstar in the making without the Bryant ego ...

The less I see of this guy the better I enjoy basketball

michael777 · Dec 25, 2004

kobe is the best player in the history of the NBA

sherman · Dec 26, 2004

michael777 said:
kobe is the best player in the history of the NBA

i know you typed this strictly to get a reaction from people, and I'll bite.....that's a DUMB statement!

:beavis1:

HacheMan · Dec 26, 2004

sherman said:
i know you typed this strictly to get a reaction from people, and I'll bite.....that's a DUMB statement!

:beavis1:

The question is Sherman, is Michael serious by making that statement?!:ughhh:
Well, if the "best" player in the league consists of being at the very top of the list in Most Shots attmepted combined with one of the worst Field Goal Percentages, AND leads the league in Most Turnovers & Turovers Per Game.......then I suppose it would be Kobe Bryant....... :>Grin>

<TABLE class=gSGTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=gSGSectionTitle colSpan=8>2004-05 Regular Season Field Goal Attempted

</TD></TR><TR class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap width=300>Player</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>PCT</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>FGM</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>FGA</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.393</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>215</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>547</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>1. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.420</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>230</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>547</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>3. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.491</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>243</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>495</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>4. Jason Richardson (Golden State Warriors)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.431</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>211</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>490</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>5. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.440</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>209</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>475</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>6. Antoine Walker (Atlanta Hawks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.422</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>200</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>474</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>7. Tracy McGrady (Houston Rockets)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.413</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>195</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>472</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>8. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.502</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>234</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>466</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>8. Antawn Jamison (Washington Wizards)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.442</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>206</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>466</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>10. Chris Webber (Sacramento Kings)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.454</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>206</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>454</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>11. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.482</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>216</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>448</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>12. Jamal Crawford (New York Knicks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.398</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>177</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>445</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>13. Zach Randolph (Portland Trail Blazers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.438</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>193</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>441</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>14. Ray Allen (Seattle SuperSonics)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.434</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>191</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>440</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>15. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.490</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>213</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>435</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>16. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.479</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>208</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>434</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>17. Richard Hamilton (Detroit Pistons)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.426</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>181</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>425</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>18. Steve Francis (Orlando Magic)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.433</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>183</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>423</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>18. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.452</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>191</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>423</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>20. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.576</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>238</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>413</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>21. Carlos Boozer (Utah Jazz)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.527</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>214</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>406</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>22. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.410</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>165</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>402</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>23. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.436</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>175</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>401</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>24. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.431</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>172</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>399</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>25. Gilbert Arenas (Washington Wizards)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.427</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>170</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>398</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>26. Rashard Lewis (Seattle SuperSonics)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.487</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>193</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>396</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>27. Larry Hughes (Washington Wizards)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.413</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>162</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>392</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>28. Stephon Marbury (New York Knicks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.443</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>171</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>386</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>29. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.603</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>231</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>383</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>29. Peja Stojakovic (Sacramento Kings)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.444</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>170</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>383</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>31. Al Harrington (Atlanta Hawks)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.461</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>167</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>362</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>32. Joe Johnson (Phoenix Suns)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.437</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>157</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>359</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>33. Grant Hill (Orlando Magic)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.507</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>180</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>355</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>34. Troy Murphy (Golden State Warriors)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.410</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>145</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>354</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>35. Kenyon Martin (Denver Nuggets)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.467</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>164</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>351</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>36. Quentin Richardson (Phoenix Suns)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.391</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>137</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>350</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>37. Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.500</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>172</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>344</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>38. Jeff McInnis (Cleveland Cavaliers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.456</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>155</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>340</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>39. Jalen Rose (Toronto Raptors)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.425</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>144</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>339</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowOdd>40. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>.451</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>152</TD><TD class=gSGRowOdd align=right>337</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>41. Rafer Alston (Toronto Raptors)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>.392</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>131</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>334</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=gSGTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=gSGSectionTitle colSpan=8>2004-05 Reular Season Turnovers

</TD></TR><TR class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap width=300>Player</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>G</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>TPG</TD><TD class=gSGSectionColumnHeadings noWrap align=right width=100>TO</TD></TR><TR><TD class=gSGRowEven>1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)

</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>26</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>4.65</TD><TD class=gSGRowEven align=right>121</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Journeyman · Dec 26, 2004

And ask yourselves this, if Shaq stayed with the Lakers ans Kobe left would there record be better than it is now?

Lakers will never win again with Kobe

HacheMan · Dec 26, 2004

Journeyman said:
And ask yourselves this, if Shaq stayed with the Lakers ans Kobe left would there record be better than it is now?

Lakers will never win again with Kobe

It's very simplye J~Man, all one has to do is look back at Lakers' Championship years, and who was the main option on offense back then......Shaq. Since Kobe has tried to take over, they've slipped, no other way to put it. The numbers up above do not lie. Kobe is finding out what life is like without Shaq drawing all of the defenders away for him. And look at his FG percentage .393, one of the worst in the whole NBA. Heck, over half of the guys in the league could lead the league in scoring as he is if they took near as many shots as Kobe AND shoot a better percentage!