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Indianapolis, December 30, 2004 - Four state lawmakers will carry the ball for Mayor Bart Peterson's vision of an expanded Indianapolis convention center, football stadium and merging government services.

Republican Phil Hinkle and Democrat Billie Breaux will carry Indianapolis Works, while Republican Senator Larry Buell will sponsor a bill to pay for the convention center expansion.

Republican Luke Messer will carry pull tab gambling.

Legislative finance leaders made it clear Thursday their top priority is solving the state's budget woes, not ensuring Indianapolis builds a new stadium.

"Indianapolis is the most important county in Indiana," said Republican Jeff Espich, "but it's not the only county."

Espich and Sen. Luke Kenley (R-Noblesville) control the legislative purse strings. Democratic mayor Bart Peterson wants their help. He wants them to pass pull tab gambling to pay for the stadium and to let marion county raise its hotel and car rental taxes to expand the convention center.

Espich says he'll move the tax bill quickly out of committee, but says don't bet on expanded gambling, "I would be very surprised if a new stadium is built with gambling money."

Kenley, who plans to help the mayor agrees that gambling remains a long shot. In fact, he says he's started to see a split between lawmakers from central Indiana and other parts of the state, especially those which have already have gaming and see an expansion of it as a threat...

Kenley said, "That makes it harder for us and that's why we need to look for alternatives and tools for the mayor."

Espich thinks it's the mayor's responsibility to come up with alternative proposals he can support, including raising the county option income tax and adopting the economic development income tax to generate extra $81-million a year.

Espich claimed 71 other counties chose that route to growing the economy and jobs and said Peterson "may have to look to using those same choices."

While Espich sees the mayor facing an uphill battle, Kenley is more optimistic, "I think the mayor and I will be able to come together and provide a solution in the end, when I say mayor and I, I mean the legislature and the mayor."
 

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Yes, The crows have to be able and watch too. LOL

Fans will prob sit on bails of hay and chit.
 

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Should be very nice General. These stadiums get more and more luxurious as the years go by......Even if you do have to put in your sh!tkicking boots to get into "certain" new ones.......... :>Grin>
 

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yeah maybe they can add a HUGE Horse and when the colts score it can WHINAAA real loud.....and jump around with smoke coming out its nose and the rider on top can yell YEEE HAWW YEEE HAWWW a few times
 

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:drink: I am glad that The General has beaten me as HOMER of the year for his team...its a great award and well deserved by the General
 

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Dante said:
yeah maybe they can add a HUGE Horse and when the colts score it can WHINAAA real loud.....and jump around with smoke coming out its nose

LOL Dante..........I bet ya they add something "different".......
 

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Looks nice; but..........................................It's no Lambeau Field!
 

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Hache

Indy will be able to save som money for your new digs. You don't need a trophy case!:carto1710
 

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Hache

Indy will be able to save som money for your new digs. You don't need a trophy case!:carto1710
LOL Jarbo............Actually, I'm a Tampa Bay Fan........... :increible
The avatar is just for support of a team with a group of great guys, which is rare now~a~days..........
 

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In 50 years the NFL stadiums will be the most cutting edge facilities in the entire world.
 

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Im surprised none have thought of putting a very large arcade somewhere in the stadiums. Can you imagine the $$ they would bring in if they kept all of the newest games, especially sports video games, and those skill games where you throw the football through the holes while you're timed, getting yards for each throw...........etc...........You know it would be a hit for kids that come with their parents early on before the game starts......
 

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Poll: 52% back plan for stadium

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A majority of Hoosiers like a proposal to finance a new Downtown stadium with revenue from additional slot machines in Indiana, according to an Indianapolis Star-WTHR (Channel 13) poll.

Fifty-two percent of poll respondents said they support Mayor Bart Peterson's plan to build a new home for the Indianapolis Colts and other major events, while 42 percent are opposed and 6 percent are not sure.

The statewide poll finds that even many who are hesitant to expand gambling are willing to tolerate more slot machines if the money is used for a stadium -- especially if the alternative is an increase in other taxes.

"I'd hate to see people in the casino who can't afford it losing their money," said Gary Pierce, a 35-year-old cement truck driver from Cicero in Hamilton County who opposes expanding gambling in the state.

Despite his qualms, Pierce supported the idea because the slot-machine taxes would be used at least in part to pay for a new stadium.

"We need to keep the Colts," said Pierce, a father of two who was excitedly looking forward to today's playoff game. "If we lose them, we're never going to grow."

In the poll, respondents first were asked their initial response to the Peterson plan -- 47 percent supported it and 42 percent were opposed. Support grew after residents were given more details of the proposal -- the Colts would contribute to the stadium's cost and sign a 30-year lease, and the venue would host events such as NCAA basketball tournaments in addition to football.

Selzer & Co. of Des Moines, Iowa, conducted the poll of 805 Indiana adults Monday and Tuesday. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

The poll was conducted two weeks after Peterson announced a plan to build an approximately $500 million retractable-roof stadium, relying on taxes imposed on new slot machines. While the city has considered putting the slots in a Downtown Indianapolis casino, state lawmakers are studying bills to locate the machines at horse tracks in Anderson and Shelbyville.

The plan has sparked debate in the General Assembly, which has plenty of gambling opponents and must approve any expansion of legalized gambling. Lawmakers predict the negotiations will continue until the session's final hours in April.

Peterson's challenge

The poll results underscore the difficult task Peterson faced as he worked to craft a stadium-financing package. For instance:

• When asked whether gambling opportunities should be expanded in Indiana, but without details about what the money would be used for, 40 percent said yes. Fifty percent said no.

• Nearly three-fourths of those surveyed -- 71 percent -- oppose using more traditional taxes, such as those on income and sales, for a stadium.

But a majority approves of Peterson's plan, including people across most demographic categories, suggesting the mayor has dodged a public firestorm at the front end of the debate.

"It's probably because while this is a tax, it's not tax dollars that are mandatory," Peterson said. "And it's not taking money from any existing revenue stream."

The Colts' 12-4 regular season record and quarterback Peyton Manning's record-breaking year probably didn't hurt the proposal, either.

There is more support than opposition among both men and women. Support for the plan also crosses income lines.

But as the mayor prepares for the uncertainty of the General Assembly debate, there are pockets of opposition. For example, Hoosiers 65 and older oppose the idea 57 percent to 36 percent.

While a majority of residents from the Indianapolis metropolitan area and southern Indiana support the mayor's plan, there is opposition in the northwest corner of the state. There, opponents outweigh supporters 49 percent to 46 percent.

Although the stadium would be built Downtown, the plan is a statewide issue. Lawmakers from across Indiana will have a vote in the matter.

"The solution to this is going to be broad-based," said state Sen. Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville.

In northwest Indiana, home to several riverboat casinos, lawmakers are warning they don't plan to give Indianapolis everything it wants. State Rep. Ralph Ayres, R-Chesterton, pointed to several transportation issues he and others want addressed this session, possibly in return for supporting the stadium.

Among those polled, the region's opposition to the mayor's plan can be traced in part to the area's emotional disconnect from the rest of Indiana.

"From a business standpoint, you do nothing for us up here," said Karen Grater, a 53-year-old Valparaiso homemaker. "The politicians seem to make decisions for the southern half of the state and not the northern part."

Moreover, populous Lake and Porter counties watch Chicago television stations, listen to Chicago radio and typically root for Chicago teams.

"I would say generally people up here affiliate with the Bears," Grater said.

The gambling debate

Some opponents, however, simply disapprove of gambling.

"It is really a tax on the poor," said Ken Elmer, 53, an engineer from Columbus.

Gov.-elect Mitch Daniels has raised questions about new gambling, even as he deals with a huge budget deficit and acknowledges the importance of the Colts.

"I wouldn't rule anything out, although I've expressed grave doubts about the expansion of gambling, particularly in the heart of our capital city," he said last week.

Daniels has expressed concern that Indiana is overly dependent on gambling taxes.

According to the most recent annual reports, the state's riverboats, lottery, horse tracks and off-track betting facilities pumped $922 million into the state's coffers. The American Gaming Association says only three other states take in more casino cash than Indiana.

Along with that issue, lawmakers plan to look at the social cost of gambling.

Keith Whyte, executive director of the National Council on Problem Gambling, said about 1 percent of adults in a given year are pathological gamblers, with another 2 percent to 3 percent possibly heading that way. He said studies have found that the surge in legalized gambling hasn't led to more problem gamblers.

"But it's probably had an impact on the severity of the problems," he said.

Ethel Prater, of Lawrence, doesn't think that will be much of a problem. At 72, she visits Las Vegas as often as possible and insists she wins more than she loses at the slot machines.

If lawmakers approve new slots for Central Indiana, Prater said, she would stop going to Las Vegas and instead spend her quarters -- and dollars -- here.

"It's an outlet for people," she said. "It gives you a chance to forget your troubles, and it gives you something to do."
 

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A scheduled vote on the financing proposal for a new Colts stadium was postponed in an Indiana House committee late this afternoon.

Democrats won the delay after objecting to an amendment that eliminates stadium funding from the bill.

Representatives of the hospitality industry rallied at the Statehouse earlier in the effort to win support for the stadium and a convention center expansion.

Republicans in the state Senate are saying that stadium funding is a priority even if it doesn't survive a House vote.

“This not about a political game. Its about the benefit that's going to benefit our children and our city,” said Greg Eastling of Embassy Suites.

“Everybody's going to have to be at the table in order to get a resolution on this matter and obviously there a good deal of disagreement and not much agreement on what the solution is,” said Sen. Luke Kenley (R) Noblesville.

The mayor's plan to use gambling proceeds for the new stadium is in trouble, but the debate is far from over.

Committee chairman Bob Alderman of Fort Wayne was prepared to call a vote on a bill that would lead to slot machines at horse tracks but with none of the money earmarked for a stadium.

House Republicans are planning to come up with their own financing proposal.

“I think both the mayor and the Colts need to remain flexible,” said Kenley.

Senate Republican leaders, meantime, are telling stadium supporter to roll with the punches and wait until a stadium bill comes to them in the second half of the session.

“We are committed to put together a package that'll be a reasonable package, that'll allow for the expansion of the convention center and the retention of the Colts, along with having the ability to do all these things with the NCAA,” said Kenley.
 

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Hospitality Tax Will Help Pay for New Colts Stadium

The construction of the new stadium begins in a few months and you'll help pay for it.

Legislators approved an increase in hospitality taxes in Marion County such as car rental, hotel and restaurant bills. The bill also allows seven other counties bordering Indianapolis to impose a one percent restaurant tax by June.

Half of this would pay for the stadium. The other half remains in those counties. On top of that, nine other nearby cities and towns can pass their own one-percent restaurant tax hike.

"None of that money goes to the stadium or the convention center expansion. Those communities get to keep all those dollars for additional revenue to fund local government. And without question of whether it's a fair tax or an unfair tax there is still an opportunity to, I think, for the people who live in those communities to tell their elected officials we don't want this tax. We don't want to pay tax,” said John Livengood, president and CEO, Restaurant and Hospitality Association.

It's up to the local lawmakers to approve that additional increase in the restaurant tax.


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