Why does VIP family exist if they dont welcome winner?

druidwarrior · Jan 24, 2005

I have been wagering sports for afew years. I have my ups and downs..
Recently, I signup with a book under VIP family and I have experience
the thrill of wagering on sports in my 3yrs offshore! those winning streaks
just continue to flow but my stay was shortlive..
I receive an email from VIP management 3 mths later that says they have decided to stop taking bets from my account and that applies to all their
family books but my acct will be remain open for withdrawal.

Well, I really felt dismayed with their decision. But I take my hats off their
good CS and excellent payouts. It have been a month since then.. I missed
the 90days I spent on their book.. I'm really puzzled why does VIP & family
even exist if they doesnt welcome winners? :sad3:

JudgeWapner · Jan 24, 2005

DW, short sighted on their part. Unless you were consisitently beating the closing number, not a smart descion by them. A lot of players win in the short term only to give it back, plus.

druidwarrior · Jan 24, 2005

Judge, I'm impressed with your wisdom. You've hit right on the nail!
I was up 1500%+ from my initial deposit in 3mths with VIP family. Maybe
that cause them to boot me out. However, following the next 30 days
after getting booted, I was still up.. but no more then 10% as compared
to those ups at the family.

fathead · Jan 24, 2005

druidwarrior said:
I'm really puzzled why does VIP & family
even exist if they doesnt welcome winners? :sad3:

They exist to make money from losing bettors. The VIP group is well known for their policy to ban winning bettors.

I agree with Judge, this policy may often backfire on them. Who knows how many times a winning streak at VIP turns into a losing streak somewhere else.

On the other hand, VIP does very well financially, so I guess their strategy is working for them, no matter how irritating it may be to the winning players.

ChuckSims · Jan 24, 2005

It's unfortunate that people send money to VIP...Gameday. They are pretty much a depository. No withdraws allowed unless you are a proven loser. Just think, the only way you are allowed an account at VIP...Gameday is becasue they believe you to be a loser. And worse yet, if you ever do figure out a way to win consistantly you will have your account closed. Play at REAL sportsbooks. Here are a few:

1. Pinnacle
2. WSEX
3. Olympic

jjgold · Jan 24, 2005

Books that do this are very smart and very profitable and that is whyt they are in BIz

Good Job VIP

aceduecetrey · Jan 24, 2005

Chuck Sims said:
It's unfortunate that people send money to VIP...Gameday. They are pretty much a depository. No withdraws allowed unless you are a proven loser. Just think, the only way you are allowed an account at VIP...Gameday is becasue they believe you to be a loser. And worse yet, if you ever do figure out a way to win consistantly you will have your account closed. Play at REAL sportsbooks. Here are a few:

1. Pinnacle
2. WSEX
3. Olympic

The text that I made bod is a outright LIE. They always pay, the may ask you to leave, but they will not steal your money from you. I am not saying it is right for them to boot someone who is up on them,but again they will not stiff you.

jjgold · Jan 24, 2005

VIP is one of safest books in the world

aceduecetrey · Jan 24, 2005

JJ- beyond a doubt.

JudgeWapner · Jan 24, 2005

Quick, true story. A number of years ago had a guy on my sheet who beat my brains out in bases. He was doing on the WIDE line.Did I boot him? No way! If he was playing the wide line I knew he wasn't sharp. I rode it out. He gave back the 80g he won and about 100 more. Why would I get rid of a guy just because he won??? Trust in the lines.

Muddy · Jan 24, 2005

Wapner
Do own an online book? do you post your lines online?

Muddy · Jan 24, 2005

VIP is good for $50 bettors!

Ladeda · Jan 24, 2005

ADT,

What you said is a lie as well. The stole $1000 from me a year and a half ago.

Granted it wasn't without unique circumstances. It was when securebuxx went under. I had been paid to securebuxx by Majorbetting as that was the only option that week. So I then deposited my securebuxx balance into three different books right as NFL was about to start. Gameday being one of the three. About a week later securebuxx went out of biz and gameday continued to let me bet but when it came time to cashout they wouldn't pay my $1000 deposit although they did pay some winnings.

The other books paid everything agreeing it wasn't my fault and that they accepted the money. Gameday was the only one that never paid. Even watchdog webmasters couldn't get me paid. Eventually I got bailed out the $1000 with no restrictions from another book that agreed what Gameday was doing was theft.

My point is that will steal from players in a second to protect themselves. If Neteller or another payment option didin't pay them you sure won't get paid from the Gameday group.

For any Gameday supporters, before you post in their defense. If it were reversed and they had paid me to seucrebuxx then when I went to cashout out Securrebuxx later on after they went under and couldn't get paid. Do you think Gameday would have paid me again in another method after they paid securebuxx? Didn't think so.

THIS GROUP STEALS , PERIOD!

Ladeda · Jan 24, 2005

Also, this group has a terrible reputation on the casino forums as well. They advertise bonus offers then don't credit it to the players after they deposit if they have an account at any casino in their family. The problem is there is no way for unsuspecting players to know what casinos are in their family.

The worst part is after they screw the players on the bonus they won't refund the players unless they play their deposit or they will get charged the Neteller fees. This was a problem posted by many players on the casino message boards and I don't think the group ever made good.

JudgeWapner · Jan 24, 2005

Nighthawk, used to work for an off screen book. Still involved in the biz, but only on the fringe.

aceduecetrey · Jan 24, 2005

Ladeda- I appologize as I guess I stated a opinion as being a fact. I have a rather long business relationship with VIP that was severed almost a year ago, but in the 2 plus years that I had this relationship I knew of atleast 1500 plus people that had a account with VIP books and I never heard of any issues of payouts. I also seen people make very significant profits with them and never were turned off. I know that it does happen though from stories I have read here and other forums. In all of my dealings with VIP, that treated me very fairly and always made good on what was owed to me. However I again want to apologize for over stating myself in the previous post.

drunk · Jan 24, 2005

IMO VIP is not a REAL BOOKIE....They do make money, so I can't blame there business model, but I don't have too respect them. Put it this way, they never sat and wrote biz in an apartment in queens. LOL

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