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JJ do you think everyone will get 50% long term or is it possible for some to be "so bad" that they get say 46% long term. If so they you could just go opposite and be a long term winner.

This is my "46% player" he loses every year more than 1/2 his plays, not a bunch on $20 wagers but they add up over time.

today

Kentucky
Xavier
Iowa
Oklahoma
Syracuse
B. College
Wisconsin
Memphis
Kansas

lets see.....
 

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jj im serious, is there a guy you have seen who can hit as low as say 46%? Or is that also impossible.



how about others? or is everyone destined for 50% long term and losing the same.
 

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It's possible tryx3. I think it was like 2 years ago I hit about 37 percent in the NBA for a full season (playing games every day). I was fading myself throughout most of the 2nd half and some people here even made some good money off the fades.

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Try,

Do you plan on continuing posting this guy's plays? I'd be interested in monitoring them if you choose to.

Were you the one with the successful teaser bettor? If so, how did the last few weeks turn out?
 

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you had to bring up those 10 point teasers! he ended those when the playoffs started as there is less selection I presume. He ended on a 2-2 and that long streak did end but wow that was something else. Next year Im going to tell him they are -130 if he wants them. What can you do if you get the crap beat out of you on a series of plays.



I will try to post the 46% player, Im not picking on this guy by the way, he bets within his limits and knows I cover most plays as they are small $20. Funny thing is he is a very good poker player and does win money at the card rooms and with groups of guys at house parties and stuff.

The mods might not like them here but the sports change around Ill try to keep them in this thread as this is sort of a topic and an experiment.
 
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I don't base if I would want to write a player by the % he hits but what exactly he hits with the % he does.

Do you want a 46% handicapper who nails decent & sometimes big ML dogs? I would rather have a 55% capper at -110 or reduced juice then a big ML dog hitter. One or two of those hits can make up for alot of losses.
 

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Not a bad idea to put those 10pters to -130, you can always play them online for cheaper yourself to lessen the blow or pocket some yourself.
 

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EveryGamblersDream said:
I don't base if I would want to write a player by the % he hits but what exactly he hits with the % he does.

Do you want a 46% handicapper who nails decent & sometimes big ML dogs? I would rather have a 55% capper at -110 or reduced juice then a big ML dog hitter. One or two of those hits can make up for alot of losses.

yes I did not give enough details. These are straight up plays almost all -110, or -105 or props with 30 cent juice, like Superbowl props, halftime lines as well, regular type of action, a few underdog plays but not many. NOT 46% of +150 wagers that is for sure!!
 

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A 46% player needs an average payout of +117/118 or so to break even. A 55% player could lay -122/123 and still break even.

So that 9% roughly works out to 40 cents difference in lines.

But percentages are pretty meaningless unless it is over the long haul, and wy you really should only be concerned about the odds people are using. it isn't even always about the line (in the spread based sports).

But it also hold true, any nit wit can claim 55% winners if he is posting huge faves in baes for a majority of his plays. they don't always hit at a high enough percentage to win money, they certianly hit at a high enough percentage so in a laundry list of Wins and Losses, it adds up to the claims trying to be made.

So even if a monitoring service is monitoring a guy and he has 200 plays they monitored and all 200 were -200 faves in bases. The guy probably would show around a 60% win rate. Unfortunately it takes a 67% win rate to make a profit (at just a flat -200, and not factoring in all the -240 or more he probably posted).

Percentages basically mean sh it. Due to odds, due to guys wagering more here and less there, due to guys playing way more games than they claim. The only way to truly know how a guy does is for him to show you every bet he makes, not just posted ones. Or to show you the exact amounts he wagers on the games he claims he plays.

Most of the time it doesn't matter. Since few people truly do follow other players. But if guys are making claims and/or looking to get clients then some accountabilty should be expected.

But if a guy is hitting 46% and does it consitantly enough at spread based sports. Then fading him in theory would be a winning propostion...
 

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Want, the more I read your post the more I have respect for you. sometimes I have a tendency not to listen. once again great post.
 

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LOL I have a tendancy to get on people's nerves I guess. But totally not my intent.


I do my own thing most of the time.

I did get into the whole posting plays mess at Covers back in 2001 when they first started up. But no matter what you did it wasn't good enough.

Kiss was my favortie over there. I had pages upon pages of plays and he still wanted to know everything about them. But he meant well. The thing is I was doing it for fun, not selling or scamming. Trying to put up stuff for people to make money on. it may have not been thelong term stuff heloves to get into. But it was long enough, and good enough to have people email me daily to get plays.

But that isn't my style, and never will be. It is hard enough trying to get my plays in wothout worrying about someone else all the time. So I just stopped posting altogther. Not anywhere, not even here where I was just a fly on the wall.

But now since I am around and the debates can be fun,I will post once in awhile. A little more lately since that age old debate (-3 in the NFL) is one of my favorite subjects to argue.

Even so, with yeras and years of resukts and database stuff, it still comes down to the here and now. Everything else is all theory. Because what I know,the books know too. Sometimes they will utilize when they adjust a line, sometimes they won't.

The one secret I learned, and theone I try to convey whenever I give an opinion is...to beat a book (which is a misnomer) you have to bet like a book.

If books can take on all comers and make money adjusting almost on a miniscule level, then why can't players do that? I was scalping and hedging before most guys were betting. As were all the 'legends'. Anyone knows that is the tried and true way to make money. The players have an even bigger advantage in that tey can watch and wait. Plus they have no overhead. So a nickle to me is all profit (as long as the book pays).

Some guys like to belittle it or make it seem less than glamorous. It works, and it is profitable. I would rather be a productive grinder than a flashy loser anyday of the week.

Besides these days you have to take leads to get the most bang for your buck, and that definately requires some gamble and some skill. It doesn't take many "wrong side" leads to kil profits it took weeks to obtain. If I buy the Red Sox at -135 thinking they will go to -160, and they close -130 then I am stuck, or buying back at a loss. So it isn't all that easy.

But I don't think I have to justify it or make it seem like it is something it isn't. In some ways it requires more skill, in others it requires nothing but timing and a big bankroll. But it is also a lot more boring than needing a team to score ina last second fashion. But overall that is a benefit too. No highs and lows.
 

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sunday, today the 47% picker has the following



Purdue

G Washington

U conn

Maryland

Iona

Niagara

Alabama

duke

Oklahoma state



NBA: Houston/mia over

Pheonix



as always use the free half points at Skybook or elsewhere /or reduced juice to find the best anti position on these.
 
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try- Best of luck to you of course. A word of caution to you, I do not know where you live, but if it is the US I dont think it wise to talk about taking action in a public forum. Dont take it the wrong way, I am just trying to look out for a fellow poster.
 

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LEYKIS101 said:
The 46% player went 7-4 today, 2 day total now 12-8 ATS.

ttt, you gotta post his picks this week...if he's that bad, we will cash big time.
 

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