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  1. #1 Sorry Patriots Fans...but Your Superbowl Run Ends Sunday! 
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    Be happy that you at least made it back this year though. You have a good team but I still don't look at the Patriots as a dynasty.
    Yes three trips in four years is pretty good...but both victories were by only 3 points!

    Dallas, San Francisco, Pittsburgh had dynastys. New England truly isn't that dominant.

    The Patriots may win Sunday... but more likely they will either lose or win another close game without covering.
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    now youve done it hood wait till patriot sees thiS...INCOMING! youll have 1 friend tho,sportsbet may adopt you.lol ~RG
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    I get the impression that maybe you don't agree with my opinion?

    Oh well!
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    the eagles have to beat the patriots on sunday before i can agree with you. i cant go against the experienced champions from the dominating AFC conference. like my feelings about payton manning the numbers are nice but they mean nothing untill manning wins a game that matters in january.same with the eagles. all the talk is about TO and gods medical clearance for HIM to play. reid should have removed freddie mitchells toungue in mid sentence when he called out that NE secondary. that team has to be very focused as ive not heard much of anything coming from them. what a great game this will be tho. and im a chargers fan so i naturally back the AFC.~RG
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  6. #6 Pats win Easy and big. 
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    you can’t downplay how bad the NFC was this year. Only one NFC team on the Eagles’ regular season schedule, Green Bay, had a winning record (10-6). And we saw what happened to the Pack in the first round.

    Every team in Philly’s division ended the year 6-10; and the Eagles got to play these losers twice. They also played two more NFC losers, Detroit (6-10) and Chicago (5-11), from the old black-and-blue division.

    When Philly went up against the AFC, they stumbled to a 2-2 SU record, and 0-4 ATS. One of those losses was a pathetic 27-3 drubbing by Pittsburgh, a team New England beat handily two weeks ago.

    Finally, Philly caught Atlanta in the title game. And the Falcons are burdened with the worst quarterback in pro football, Michael Vick. All the Eagles had to do was stop Vick’s running game to stop the Falcons and their defense was up to the task. With a passing game reminiscent of high school junior varsity, the Falcons couldn’t mount any semblance of an offensive attack.

    The Patriots, conversely, had to beat some tough teams to once again reach the Super Bowl. They beat the Colts and Steelers back to back in the playoffs and, during the regular season, the Pats was perfect against the NFC: 4-0 SU and ATS.

    Against common opponents, the Patriots were 5-1 SU and ATS, while the Eagles were 2-3 SU and 0-5 ATS (the Patriots had an extra game vs. the Steelers).

    But it’s probably the intangibles that make New England the better team. The Patriots have the ability to turn up the pressure on defense in a big game. And that defense can be stifling.

    In their playoff game against the Colts, the Patriots completely shut down Peyton Manning’s high-octane attack in a dominant 20-3 win. In a critical game with the Jets at the end of the season, the Pats smothered New York, 23-7. In fact, in three of its last four games, the Patriots have held their opponents to single-digit scores.

    Quarterback Tom Brady is looking more and more like the next Joe Montana. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have Rice and Taylor on the outside with Dwight Clark over the middle. Yet, he is deadly accurate and is making fewer mistakes as he gains experience. Gaining Corey Dillon and his 1,600 rushing yards this season has been a huge plus for New England. Remember, last year the Pats won the Super Bowl with the league’s 27th ranked rushing game.

    Finally, the Patriots have the right coach for their players. There are no pro bowlers on this squad, and they like to be introduced at the start of the game as a group. When you have a team that embodies what pro athletics used to be and should be about, it’s hard to root against them. Bet against them at your own peril.
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    wow wilheim very good. hard to argue with logic. ~RG
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    Define dynasty in 2005 terms... Yes dallas, SF and pitt all had dynastys as you have rightly called them but that was before free agency and the salary cap.. What New England has done with those on their roster, I would have to place them in a whole new catorgory. Not a dynasty by any means, but an outright remarkable team and coach in all due respect.....

    GL pats my moneys on you...

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    you can’t downplay how bad the NFC was this year. Only one NFC team on the Eagles’ regular season schedule, Green Bay, had a winning record (10-6). And we saw what happened to the Pack in the first round.

    Every team in Philly’s division ended the year 6-10; and the Eagles got to play these losers twice. They also played two more NFC losers, Detroit (6-10) and Chicago (5-11), from the old black-and-blue division.

    When Philly went up against the AFC, they stumbled to a 2-2 SU record, and 0-4 ATS. One of those losses was a pathetic 27-3 drubbing by Pittsburgh, a team New England beat handily two weeks ago.


    Hello wilheim..

    You are correct of course with regard to the NFC being a watered down conference, a check of the results from this season shows that in head-to-head meetings versus the NFC the AFC held a commanding 44-20 straight up and 41-21-2 ATS edge in 64 total AFC/NFC inter-conference games.thus the reason for the rather large spread in this contest.


    If past Super Bowls are used as a barometer of sorts to measure one conference to another than a good arguement could be made that the NFC has been a really watered down conference over the past seven years to the point that the AFC is 5-2 straight up and 4-2-1 ATS in the past seven Super Bowls.


    However all indications point to the fact that the oddsmaker appears to be catching up with regard to the AFC going 0-2 ATS in the last two SB’s and 2-2-1 ATS in the last five SB’s, when looking at how the favorite has done we see that t<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">he favorite has not done well at all in the SB as of late as evidenced by going 0-3 ATS the past three years, 1-3-1 ATS in the past five SB’s and 3-5-2 ATS in the past 10 SB’s.</O:P>
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    <O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">In terms of a head-to-head comparison between common opponents that the Eagles and patriots faced it not fair </O:P><O:P style="MARGIN: 0px">to include the patriots rematch versus Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game in head-to-head comparisons because Philadelphia did not have the same opportunity of a rematch, thus we see that each team faced Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cleveland, St Louis and Cincinnati during the regular season.</O:P>
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    Philadelphia posted a record of 2-3 straight up and 0-5 ATS while the patriots posted a mark of 4-1 straight up and 3-2 ATS versus these five same season opponents, both teams lost to Pittsburgh and Philly’s other two losses against same season opponents came against St Louis and Cincy.<O:P> </O:P>

    However, Philly’s two losses against St Louis and Cincy should be discounted because they were the Eagles final two games of the regular season and Philly rested starters having had nothing to play for, meanwhile, the patriots played St Louis back on November 7<SUP>th</SUP> and played Cincy back on December 12<SUP>th</SUP>, meaning that these two games were valuable at the time to the patriots who were still fighting for playoff positioning.<O:P> </O:P>

    A closer look-see also reveals that while both the Eagles and patriots played and won at Cleveland, Philly faced the Brownies back on October 24<SUP>th</SUP> when the “Brownie injury bug was not out in full force at Cleveland and the Brownies were 3-3 straight up and ATS at that point in the season and still had fight left, meanwhile, the patriots faced Cleveland on December 5<SUP>th</SUP> when Cleveland had fired HC Butch Davis earlier in the week and the Brownies season was all but over as Cleveland was 3-8 straight up and 4-7 ATS on the year and was fresh off a 58-48 loss to instate rival Cincinnati.


    And lastly, I personally can't believe that media types are actually comparing Brady to Montana at this stage of Brady's career, Joe Montana led the 49er's to FOUR Super Bowl wins with an average winning score of 35-16 and Montana was named the Super Bowl MVP three times with WR Jerry Rice getting the award in the niners other SB win.

    Tom Brady is good and there is no doubt about that, but PLEASE..Brady is NOT in Joe Montana's class, Pittsburgh QB Terry Bradshaw also led his Steelers to FOUR Super Bowl wins with an average winning score of 26-18 and Bradshaw was named the Super Bowl MVP two times with WR Lynn Swann and RB Franco Harris getting the award in the Steelers other SB wins.

    John Elway led his Bronco's to FIVE Super Bowls, Elway lost his first three appearances but won his last two trips to the big game before retiring and was named the MVP in one Super Bowl while RB Terrell Davis picked up the trophy in the other win.

    The point is...DON'T put Tom Brady in such an elite group until he has shown the long term ability to get his team to the promised land, winning two SB's is definately a good start but consider that EACH of the two wins came on last second FG's.

    Until Brady is able to win FOUR Super Bowls like Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw or is able to show perserverance like John Elway in getting to FIVE Super Bowls...he's not in their class period.

    take care and good luck!

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    Cash....You know what dynasty means?

    It means you can ask the question "Who will the Patriots face in the Super Bowl next year?" and they start answering Carolina!Dallas!Tampa looks good,Redskins maybe

    Without doubting the premise of the question.

    Or its not really a question of who will win the game on sunday.Its will the eagles cover the points, is the issue.
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    Good call Jimmy! Don't listen to roxygurl I think it's her time of the month.



    Patriot and Willy are just not seeing this game with a clear head like me. ;)

    You know that old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink?" I've done what I can here.


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    Or its not really a question of who will win the game on sunday.Its will the eagles cover the points, is the issue.
    I think for you and I it is a bit more Pat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsbet
    Good call Jimmy! Don't listen to roxygurl I think it's her time of the month.



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    OUCH! Easy, SB, Roxy didn't ask for that! You're probably just having fun, but I guess I'm an old-fashioned dinosaur who still thinks each female should be treated like a lady until she proves that she is not one. I assume you wouldn't want to be perceived as having less than optimum class. :suomi:
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    Iggy it's all in jest. If she is offended I will apologize (but you do realize picking the Patriots in this game is much more offensive) ;)



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    You know I love ya, T.O.

    I mean, S.B.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsbet
    Good call Jimmy! Don't listen to roxygurl I think it's her time of the month.



    Patriot and Willy are just not seeing this game with a clear head like me. ;)

    You know that old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink?" I've done what I can here.


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    im not offended i think its funny.i appreciate your concern for my mental well being but that "time of the month" is about 18 days away .i cant believe i just posted this lol.~RG
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    You folks are being jerk wadded by Hooligan Eagle Fans....it's nice that they want to believe and root for their team..but to keep insisting that The Eagles will win because of some type of fan interest is going to blow up in their faces and they won't know what hit them.

    It's VERY VERY VERY AKIN to YANKEE FANS who can't see beyond their NOSES BECAUSE IT KEEPS growing like PINNOCHIO'S. Simply hoping or wishing aint gonna make The Eagles win...

    Let's all have another hit..



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    Billy Billy Billy...you a funny guy! Maybe you should change your name to Johnny Carson...has a nice ring to it!

    Now about the hooligan Eagles fans...I don't even like the Eagles, but I like their chances here. Look at the unbalanced teams the Patriots have played in their two Superbowl victories.

    1. The Rams (all offense, no defense).

    2. The Panthers (all defense, average offense).

    Now they get to play a complete team. Don't be surprised to see New England with their hands full Sunday...you can bet they won't win this one by 3 points!
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    Heres the Box Score from the last time McNabb faced NE defense. 31-10 check out the Sack Stat. Save your money Philly backers...
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    Yes, but the last time doesn't always mean the next time...just ask Pittsburgh how things turned out the second time after they won the first game against New England.
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    Ohhh thats really smart - using NE as an example to prove your point! Thats rich Jimmy , I love this guy! NE beating PIT the second time was the Belechick Proof. Simply put fact is Belicheck almost ALWAYS beats you the second time he plays you whoever you are. You can check it its true. But unlike PIT , NE knows going into this game that they own the team they are going to play. Philly doesnt know to beat NE. They can only try. While NE WILL beat up on Phiily on Sunday. Finito.
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    There's an old adage that all of us know "On any given Sunday...". Which means that there's always a chance for any team to win.

    That being said, a good prognosticator is going to take a look at the statistical and emotion condition of both teams, considering all of those factors that indicate which team is most likely to win against the spread.

    I haven't seen a good analyisis or comparison indicating how the Eagles are superior in any statistical or emotional category - just the opposite.
    There's always an opportunity that the Eagles could win, but right now everything is leaning in the Patriots favor.

    And please, don't give me any of that "McNabb is gonna killem" crap! McNabb is only one of 11 players on the field, and if the others aren't ALL playing their "A" game against a Pats defense that will have to be playing it's "D" game, they won't score a TD.

    On the other side of the ball, the Eagles defense will have to figure out how to stop both Cory Dillon and Tom Brady - or the Patriots will score 4 or 5 TDs. Remember that the Patriotrs O line gave Brady a ton of time t0 march the Patriots dowwnfield and score 4 TDs against the vaunted Pitt D.

    The Eagles are a good team who deserve recognition, but the odds are stacked against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Recall
    NE knows going into this game that they own the team they are going to play.
    How do they own the Eagles? Because they beat them in regular season game LAST season? When there was no Terell Owens, Jeremiah Trotter, Jevon Kearse, Derrick Burgess(yes this guy can track down QB's), etc.

    That was the only matchup between this 2 teams while they have both recently reigned as NFL's elite. Dating back further, they have only played twice in the last 6 years. Eagles won then, but like last year's very early season game, it means nothing. Sunday evening is the only thing that matters.

    But to say that they "OWN" a team, which is no where even near the team that they played, is a little far fetched if you ask me.
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    Ah denial...the stuff that makes bookies rich! Gotta love it, Recall...it could never happen to my team...they could never lose a rematch!

    Well seeing how you like to point to stats from the last meeting, heres one for you...turnovers.
    The Eagles had 4 fumbles and 2 int's the last game. That in turn changed their gameplan to a catch-up passing game in the second half...hence the 7 sacks.

    Do you think you can really count on another 6 to 0 turnover advantage again in this game?

    All I'm saying is if the TO advantage is more even this time (which is quite likely) then the outcome of New England winning again will be less likely...let alone covering a 7 point spread.

    It's not too late to take Philly and the points. Good Luck to all.
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  25. #25 Eagles Pretenders Will Show Today, Deer In The Headlights 
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    Who have the eagles beaten this year? You lost 27-3 at Pittsburgh. The Eagles suck, just like Atlanta. I call them the Buffalo Bills of the new millenium. They will always lose the big game. Maybe you could get Peyton to play QB? HAHAHA!

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