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Online fantasy baseball, at least when it comes to officially licensed games, is in limbo.
Generally, online sites aren't accepting players signing up for the upcoming season. But that lull isn't likely to last. Next week, Major League Baseball is expected to decrease the number of outlets offering its officially licensed fantasy games — even as one game-maker is challenging MLB's authority to license anybody.

CDM Fantasy Sports filed a suit Monday against MLB in a federal court in St. Louis. (Last year CDM provided online baseball games used by USA TODAY, but this year those games will not be available at USATODAY.com.)

The lawsuit's gist, CDM lawyer Rudy Telscher says, is pretty simple: Can anybody own statistics?

He concedes one needs MLB licenses for trademarked material. "And we're fine with not being able to use logos and bells and whistles where they have rights. The question, which hasn't been decided by any court, is whether the mere use of bare statistics associated with players is a violation."

Telscher argues such statistics are in the public domain — like names in telephone books.

First amendment lawyer Robert Corn-Revere, not associated with the case, suggests CDM might have a point: "It's generally true that the law doesn't allow you to own information in its raw form and exclude others to use it."

But CDM vice president Charlie Wiegert suggests another reason for the suit: MLB "is about to put the whole fantasy industry at risk."

Bob Bowman, who oversees MLB Advanced Media, disagrees. MLB recently paid an estimated $50 million over five years to the MLB players union to take control of online fantasy licensing. And Bowman says there's only one goal: "We want more fans playing more fantasy baseball."

Bowman suggests MLB might end up with four or five major sites, as well as mlb.com, that will be officially licensed, down from about 13. About 12 small-scale sites draw fewer than 5,000 players and are expected to retain licenses.

Greg Ambrosius, president of the Fantasy Sports Trade Association, suggests giving fewer consumer choices isn't likely to increase consumption: "It would be tough to take all the fantasy choices now available and put them under just a few umbrellas."

Ambrosius, who manages a national fantasy baseball tournament that charges as much as $1,250 a player with a $100,000 prize, says at least 150 sites offer fantasy baseball — with about 10 million players in the USA.

Bowman, estimating 2.5 million Americans now play fantasy baseball, counters that what's needed is innovation, such as fantasy games where players get online video highlights and news updates via cell phone about their rosters.

And it's not uncommon for sports leagues to thin out the ranks of its licensees, such as when the NFL let Reebok handle sales for all its game jerseys and Electronic Arts handle its video games. Says Bowman, "It appears that licensors think they can create a bigger business by concentrating licensees."

What's certain: Online fantasy baseball is more than just a game!
 

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What's certain: Online fantasy baseball is more than just a game.

YUP!

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Ambrosius, who manages a national fantasy baseball tournament that charges as much as $1,250 a player with a $100,000 prize, says at least 150 sites offer fantasy baseball — with about 10 million players in the USA.


If this isnt gambling, I dont know what is.

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Fishhead said:
Ambrosius, who manages a national fantasy baseball tournament that charges as much as $1,250 a player with a $100,000 prize, says at least 150 sites offer fantasy baseball — with about 10 million players in the USA.


If this isnt gambling, I dont know what is.

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great point fish.
 

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Again I pose the question:

How is this remotely legal in the United States?

Wild Bill--opinions?

thanks,
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5teamparlay said:
BTW if ya any exta people for a league in Tampa I'm allways in.

You working tonight......thinkking about bringing the boys down for the seafood buffet.

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I have played CDM sports quite a bit. Never baseball ( very time consuming) I play football there and used to play NBA. I played football last year there. I'm not going to play again, but just cause I don't have time for it anymore. its fun though.

I don't keep track, but I think I have made a nice chunk of change at their games.

Warning- They PAY SLOW. I won $50 in football and they are going to pay me in 4-6 weeks from now. Regular season football ended a long time ago. they always pay slow like that.

in 2002 years ago I won $2500 playing football. they slow paid like normal and then, no joke, when the check finally came, it BOUNCED.

I spoke to the owner and she was very nice and apologetic and claimed it was an accounting snafu. I suspect they are very tight on money.

I didnt play 2003 after that, but I gave them another shot last year , cause I have always been paid. I used to do well playing their NBA game and hit that for about $2500 one year. The total cost of a team in NBA or NFL is about $250, so I have had some big hits.

You have to pay close attention to injuries, schedules, whos coming on, who's fading, etc. very time consuming if you want to win.
 

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I figured it was a good time to get the computer cleaned with a light schedule last weekend. (an important thing with betting online is having areasonably fast computer). i work late nights, starting at about midnite that way I can get all my action in and watch the late ones pan out. I don't work friday or saturday nights either. I spend my days in the sun by my pool, I also list about 700 items up on ebay A WEEK.



I guess bingo is gone there. It's a shame as casino's need to view things as a total package. The same ways some strip casino's should view there sportsbook too. It may be more profitable to get rid of the Sportsbook and put in slots but in the longrun those same bingo/SB players throw $$ in the slots and bring in friend relatives and spouses that do the same. Worked in places before that pulled table games to put in slots and they put the games back because the slot play didn't pick up. It's a total package. BUT this may be sign of BIGGER things to come here.
 

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5teamer....what kind of items do you list on ebay. Do you buy wholesale?? Just curious as I've been looking into selling on ebay but still doing initial studying of it.
 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=24715&item=5166962148&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

here's one of my auctions, currently i have over 400 auctions going.
 

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Fishhead said:
Again I pose the question:

How is this remotely legal in the United States?

Wild Bill--opinions?

thanks,
---FISH---

I have heard conflicting opinions over this. I think the issue is really commercial, not criminal. I highly doubt anyone gets put in the slammer or gets a fine over fantasy baseball, but then again there are some attention hungry district attorneys out there. The NBA has argued this before too, I don't think it has stopped much, but I know they wanted to only allow scores to be shown in licensed or approved sites.
 

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