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Hit the big one? Here's how to report the winnings and deduct the losses
By Kay Belll • Bankrate.com


Lady Luck must be Uncle Sam's cousin because taxes must be paid on all gambling winnings.

Here's a look at the federal tax forms you'll need to share your good fortune with the Internal Revenue Service. And if you lost a few rounds before your numbers came up, there's a way you can turn those losses to your tax advantage.

Requirements for reporting and withholding from a winning bet depend on the type of gambling, the amount won and the ratio of the winnings to the wager. When you pocket $600 or more (and that amount is 300 times your bet) at a horse track, win $1,200 at a slot machine or bingo game, or take $1,500-plus in keno winnings, the payer must get your Social Security number and let the IRS know that you came into the extra income.

And if you're lucky enough to rake in $5,000 or more on a gambling transaction, you're probably not going to walk away with all the cash you won.

In addition to telling Uncle Sam that you were a winner and how much, the payer in these situations generally will reduce your payout by withholding federal taxes at the 25-percent rate. If you try to shortchange the IRS by refusing to furnish your Social Security number, the payer could take as much as 28 percent of your winnings right off the top to send to the tax collector.

In either instance, you'll get a Form W-2G showing the amount you won and, if applicable, how much in taxes you paid on it upfront.

When you have to report it
Even if you didn't win enough to trigger W-2G filing, you do want to be a diligent taxpayer and report those gambling winnings, right? The casino, track or lottery agent may not have reported that $25 you won, but it's still taxable income. It's ultimately the taxpayer's responsibility to tell Uncle Sam about his good fortune.

You report your winnings -- from the W-2G or those smaller jackpots -- on line 21, Other Income, of Form 1040. In addition to gambling proceeds, this is where you'd report any prizes or awards (cash or the cash value of merchandise) you won. All this money goes toward your total income amount.

However, you don't have to pay taxes on all your earnings, regardless of how you got them. You can reduce the amount of money the IRS will tax by reporting your losses as part of your overall itemized deductions. Check out line 27, Other Miscellaneous Deductions, on Schedule A. That's where you report any gambling losses. You can claim up to the total amount of winnings you entered on your 1040, effectively wiping out any taxable gambling income.

But make sure that this deduction, along with your other itemizations, is more than the standard amount. You always want to use the method that will provide you a bigger deduction.

Even though technically you might be able to avoid taxes on $3,000 you won by claiming $3,000 in bad bets, that's still less than the standard deduction of $4,850 allowed a single taxpayer. If you have no other deductions to itemize, it doesn't make sense to forfeit the standard deduction's other $1,850 just because you can claim gambling losses. If, however, your wagering losses are large enough to help boost your already substantial itemized deductions, then fill out the Schedule A.

Keep track of your gaming losses
When you do claim your gambling losses on your tax return, it's a good idea to keep a record of them. While you don't have to send your loss data in with your return, documentation could come in handy if the IRS ever questions the claim.

Acceptable gambling loss record keeping could include a written log detailing the date of your wagers, the location, amount bet, type of gaming and wins and losses. You should also hang on to losing lottery tickets or bingo cards.

The good thing about deducting gambling losses is that, unlike some other deductions, you don't have to meet a certain level before you can claim them. But then again, they aren't completely unlimited.

You can only count as much in losses as you won. So if you spent $100 on lottery tickets and won $75, you can only deduct $75. The other $25 is just part of the price of playing the game.


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This is precisely how I have personally been doing my gambling taxes for years.

It trully is not that difficult.

Three key components......

1. Keep an accurate and neat diary.
2. Report winnings on Line 21
3. Deduct losses on schedule A

Easy as 1-2-3

Thanks for the post WIL

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Fish, you say accurate and neat diary. Say I go to my local casino, remember the time I start, the time I finish, the machine number and how much I won/lose.

Get home, and put it into my computer for record keeping, is this accurate enough?

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This is precisely how I have personally been doing my gambling taxes for years.

It trully is not that difficult.

Three key components......

1. Keep an accurate and neat diary.
2. Report winnings on Line 21
3. Deduct losses on schedule A

Easy as 1-2-3

Thanks for the post WIL

---FISH---
 

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bigbet1234 said:
Fish, you say accurate and neat diary. Say I go to my local casino, remember the time I start, the time I finish, the machine number and how much I won/lose.

Get home, and put it into my computer for record keeping, is this accurate enough?

BB
nope...I think you also need to record what the wheel ended up on Bigbet

Like LEMON, LEMON, LEMON or Cherry, Watermelon, Watermelon.... Or 7 DOUBLE BAR, BAR
 

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bigbet1234 said:
Fish, you say accurate and neat diary. Say I go to my local casino, remember the time I start, the time I finish, the machine number and how much I won/lose.

Get home, and put it into my computer for record keeping, is this accurate enough?

BB

MORE THAN ACCURATE ENOUGH IMO...........but obviously the more the better.

I personally list it like this on a spreadsheet......

DATE---FEB 12th
CASINO---CEASERS
GAME---JACKS OR BETTER
WIN/LOSS---+700

You can add machine numbers and a list of friends you are with as evidence, but I do not. All I list is what I just stated..............again, in a horizontal format.

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Fishhead said:
MORE THAN ACCURATE ENOUGH IMO...........but obviously the more the better.

I personally list it like this on a spreadsheet......

DATE---FEB 12th
CASINO---CEASERS
GAME---JACKS OR BETTER
WIN/LOSS---+700

You can add machine numbers and a list of friends you are with as evidence, but I do not. All I list is what I just stated..............again, in a horizontal format.

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sure also you can list the weather at the time and if the casino was smokey or not and do not forget to record if you pulled the handle OR pushed the button on the machine
 

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Fish...you know how to work a spreadsheet program??? Very suprising! :howdy:
 

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Fish...you know how to work a spreadsheet program??? Very suprising! :howdy:

Not on a computor bozo!

By hand!

Not that smart, geesh.

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wife and i had $20,000 of those little pieces of paper to turn in this year from video poker at the local's......we were able to write off as much in losses....but, the twenty grand moved us up to a higher tax bracket....so that sucked...instead of making our reg. salaries we had to add 20 grand on top of it so therefore all is not roses..when it all comes out of the wash...just my take...jeffksu....:sad3:
 

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jeffksu said:
wife and i had $20,000 of those little pieces of paper to turn in this year from video poker at the local's......we were able to write off as much in losses....but, the twenty grand moved us up to a higher tax bracket....so that sucked...instead of making our reg. salaries we had to add 20 grand on top of it so therefore all is not roses..when it all comes out of the wash...just my take...jeffksu....:sad3:

Explain why you are in a higher tax bracket if you deducted all your losses.

Sorry if I am not understanding you.

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it counted as income...and the losses were counted as well but by the time i got through itemizing all my expenses...etc vs. income it didn't adjust it enough down to where it was a wash...i still recieved a refund but was told it could of been higher if the total wasn't over twenty grand...the accountant said the most one should have for a year if living in vegas is 15 grand or less...otherwise become a professional gambler...which we are not...we both have reg fulltime jobs...that's just weekend fun money....although how fun would that be ...i can see me and bob dancer(who's making a mint selling books to idiots that have already lost their asses) hanging out together...talking about what machines to play...we play at 3 different places...arizona charlies west...fiesta...and binions...but to get back to the ?...she says with the salaries of my wife winnings- losses and deductions...we got a refund but not a complete wash...thanks for asking...jeffksu
 

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jeffksu said:
it counted as income...and the losses were counted as well but by the time i got through itemizing all my expenses...etc vs. income it didn't adjust it enough down to where it was a wash...i still recieved a refund but was told it could of been higher if the total wasn't over twenty grand...the accountant said the most one should have for a year if living in vegas is 15 grand or less...otherwise become a professional gambler...which we are not...we both have reg fulltime jobs...that's just weekend fun money....although how fun would that be ...i can see me and bob dancer(who's making a mint selling books to idiots that have already lost their asses) hanging out together...talking about what machines to play...we play at 3 different places...arizona charlies west...fiesta...and binions...but to get back to the ?...she says with the salaries of my wife winnings- losses and deductions...we got a refund but not a complete wash...thanks for asking...jeffksu

Jeff, I played VP 10+ hours a day for 6+ years, many times with Bob.

We can debate this all day in a forum, but you have me totally confused with what your accountant is saying.

There are a few years where i reported close to one million in winnings on LINE 21

---FISH---

ps- We can discuss a little at this years bash.......if i make it.
 

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fish...was your occupation...professional gambler...if that is the case then it makes sense...but by not being a professional...she said that it has to count as income..she had it checked as well....by her superiors as well...and gave me 6,000 dollars for protection against an audit....jeffksu....
 

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fish...was your occupation...professional gambler...if that is the case then it makes sense...but by not being a professional...she said that it has to count as income..she had it checked as well....by her superiors as well...and gave me 6,000 dollars for protection against an audit....jeffksu....

Never have listed Professional Gambler as occupation, not in my personal best interest to do so.

As stated, this is best talked about in person as it is to engaging, time consuming, and specific to be talked about in a forum setting.....not to mention personal.

I am sure your accountant is looking out for your best interests in the very best possible matter, I dont doubt that one bit.

Hopefully see you at this years bash!

I will try and make it, to keep Dante in check if nothing else.

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Fishhead said:
Never have listed Professional Gambler as occupation, not in my personal best interest to do so.

As stated, this is best talked about in person as it is to engaging, time consuming, and specific to be talked about in a forum setting.....not to mention personal.

I am sure your accountant is looking out for your best interests in the very best possible matter, I dont doubt that one bit.

Hopefully see you at this years bash!

I will try and make it, to keep Dante in check if nothing else.

---FISH---

thanks PLEASE stop me at 2 DR peppers max per day:drink: :drink:
 

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Jeff:

GET A NEW CPA!! Just found out the one I used last year made a mistake on my taxes. He could of gave a rats ass how much I was paying.

Needless to say, I got a new CPA this year from a recomendation, she is wonderful. I overpayed my taxes last year, and she is filing an amedment for me.

Do you homework when finding a CPA, just like anything else in life.

Best to you.

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thanks for all the help...but i had it checked by two different cpa's and both came up with same result...the ladies been doing my taxes for years so i feel fairly comfortable with her....ps...can discuss more at the bash as i too will be trying to keep MR. DANTE...nba's top handicapper in check as well....you know he's one to easily get out of hand...much unlike the likes of fish bigbet and the like...MR. DANTE please be cool at this year's bash....thanks jeffksu
 

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Fish- I thought you were a pro. Wouldnt you use Schedule C then?
 

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jeffksu said:
wife and i had $20,000 of those little pieces of paper to turn in this year from video poker at the local's......we were able to write off as much in losses....but, the twenty grand moved us up to a higher tax bracket....so that sucked...instead of making our reg. salaries we had to add 20 grand on top of it so therefore all is not roses..when it all comes out of the wash...just my take...jeffksu....:sad3:

If your wagering income pushes you into alternative minimum tax territory then a portion of your schedule A deductions are invalidated, resulting in extra tax due. Sad but true.

The alternative minimum tax was intended to force the wealthy to pay taxes even if they had zeroed out their income with tax shelters (such as real estate depreciation). Unfortunately, it can also hit gamblers with extra tax since they often have large gross gambling income, but modest net gambling income (after subtracting losses).
 

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