Greenwell asks 'Where's my MVP?' Conseco has it.

wilheim · Feb 17, 2005

Former Boston Red Sox outfielder Mike Greenwell says he should be given the 1988 American League MVP Award given to Jose Canseco after the former Oakland A's star admitted he regularly used steroids.
"Where's my MVP?" former Boston Red Sox outfielder Mike Greenwell told the Fort Myers News-Press "(Canseco's) an admitted steroid user. I was clean.

"If they're going to start putting asterisks by things, let's put one by the MVP. I do have a problem with losing the MVP to an admitted steroids user."

Canseco, in his new book "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big," claims to have injected Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi and other baseball stars with steroids.

The Boston Globe's Gordon Edes, a member of the Baseball Writers Association of America, said he didn't think the association would strip steroid users of their awards.

"Like it or not, steroids were not a banned substance at that time in Major League Baseball," Edes told the News-Press.

Canseco told "60 Minutes Wednesday" that steroid use was not a secret to baseball officials.

"They knew what I was doing. They knew what the other baseball players were doing, if they were involved in taking steroids," Canseco said. "Owners knew it. Players' association knew it."

But Sandy Alderson, the executive vice president for Major League Baseball, said, "That's absolutely not true."

Alderson, the A's general manager during Canseco's Bay Area stint, was asked if he thought the former slugger was taking steroids.

"I had suspicions, over time, that he might be," Alderson said.

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Fishhead · Feb 17, 2005

GATOR is/was one of my favorite players of all-time.

Would love to see it happen.

---FISH---

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

Greenwell is nothing but a cry baby redneck who lives in a log cabin and wants everyone to kiss his *ass. Screw him, he probably was using some kind of illegal tobacco supplement himself.

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

Sorry Fish.....

cadillacman · Feb 17, 2005

Then the Maris Family should be asking that Roger's record be restored considering the Bonds, McGwire and Sosa had to "juice" up to break it. As far I know, and have heard nothing to the contrary, Roger Maris was never accused of using steroids.

G.MONEY · Feb 17, 2005

I Think Frank Thomas Maybe Asking The Same Question To Giambi...

Fishhead · Feb 17, 2005

aceduecetrey said:
Greenwell is nothing but a cry baby redneck who lives in a log cabin and wants everyone to kiss his *ass. Screw him, he probably was using some kind of illegal tobacco supplement himself.

Similar to me and exactly why he was one of my favorite players.

---FISH---

LEYKIS101 · Feb 17, 2005

Actually, didn't Jose sell his MVP award on Ebay? I know he did with one of the awards he won. :icon_conf

sherman · Feb 17, 2005

Fishhead said:
Similar to me and exactly why he was one of my favorite players.

---FISH---

say it ain't so fish!

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

You think it was just a coincidence that Dianabol was invented in 1959 and Deca in 1960?

Fishhead · Feb 17, 2005

sherman said:
say it ain't so fish!

Well, I do abstain from all uses of tobacco products.

---FISH---

wilheim · Feb 17, 2005

Rx. Daily Reporter Story

Pitchers and catchers are headed to spring training this week, and with the start of another baseball season just around the corner, it prompts the question:

Will this be the year somebody finally breaks Roger Maris' single-season home run record?

That's right, Roger Maris' home run record. In 1961, when he touched 'em all 61 times during a slightly longer season to break Babe Ruth's long-standing mark of 60, Maris stood 6-feet tall and weighed 204 pounds -- just like when he broke in. Unless nicotine and whatever Mickey Mantle was buying at Toots Shor's can be considered performance-enhancing drugs, Maris never took any. Or was accused or suspected of taking any.

Since Maris' monumental season, only three players have hit more home runs in a season, topped by Barry Bonds' 73 in 2001. Mark McGwire, who was such a class act in shattering Maris' record when he hit 70 in 1998, also hit 65 in 1999. Sammy Sosa hit 66 in 1998, 64 in 2001 and 63 in 1999, even before they found Cialis in his bat.

When they broke into the major leagues, Bonds, McGwire and Sosa were lean and mean, looking more like point guards or in McGwire's case, a small forward. During what is now being called "The Steroid Era," they bulked up like offensive tackles, only without the roll of fat around their middles. And without the anonymity.

All three have either admitted to have taken steroids and/or performance-enhancing drugs unwittingly, or been suspected of it. But Major League Baseball continues to look the other way, because chicks aren't the only ones who dig the longball.

Why hasn't there been an internal investigation? MLB crows about its new and so-called tougher drug policy that raps first-time offenders across the wrist with a 10-day suspension. Big deal. First-time Olympic athletes who are detected with The Juice get a two-year vacation.

You can test and retest ballplayers for banned substances by drawing blood or drawing urine or, better yet, by drawing a red flag next to their home run totals in the Baseball Encyclopedia any time the number jumps from 20 to 40. But I've got a better and less expensive way to detect steroid use. Any player whose head will not fit inside a basketball rim without bending the iron is guilty.

Now that he has retired, McGwire's head has returned to its normal 7 1/4-size. But you still couldn't get Abe Lincoln's stovepipe hat over the bloated noggins of Bonds and Sosa.

Regardless of how much time you spend on the Bowflex or how many protein shakes you drink during the off-season, ballplayers aren't like wine. They do not improve with age, unless they throw a knuckleball. No matter what Stuart Scott and Barry Bonds' other apologists say on ESPN.

Since he quit, McGwire has disappeared like one of Paul Assenmacher's batting practice fastballs. Now you know why. He had to know it was only a matter of time before Jose Canseco, his ex-teammate in Oakland, would be hurting for money. And when his former Bash Brother spilled his guts for a book publisher, McGwire wanted to be unavailable for comment.

Canseco used to charge fans $625 a hour to hang out with him during his house arrest and hocked his American League MVP trophy for $30,000, so the guy's not exactly the most credible source since Tom Brokaw. On Sunday, he went on "60 Minutes" a day in advance of his book hitting the shelf at Barnes and Noble and told Mike Wallace that he injected steroids into McGwire's buttocks after batting practice.

What might have been a little pinch back then has turned into a royal pain in the butt, now that Canseco has started naming names.

And you know what? I believe him.

I believe him because if what he claims isn't true, McGwire and the others would be lining up to sue Canseco and HarperCollins, his publisher, for libel or defamation of character or at very least, misrepresenting the facts to make a quick buck.

But so far, the accused have been quieter than an October day at Wrigley Field. Other than Jason Giambi, who keeps apologizing for something he did, although (insert elbow to ribs here) we're not sure what.

So until the accused come clean, or at least leave the masking agents in their equipment bags before calling some press conferences of their own, Roger Maris' record stands in my eyes. And Hank Aaron needn't move aside for anybody, at least not anytime soon.

In that the model for comparing baseball statistics is more flawed than a sports writer's wardrobe, I'm not sure why they are so important in the first place, other than they give fathers and sons something to talk about when the bridge over the generation gap is under repair.

So next time you are sitting around the dinner table with nothing to say to your old man, blame it on Jose Canseco.

Then you'll be like everybody else in baseball.

Adam Candee
Las Vegas Sun

http://www.therx.com/nm/templates/article.asp?articleid=3234&zoneid=36

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

Fish- I know Greenwell has many fans, but the way he acts down here in his hometown is just terrible. I am pretty sure he wants to rename this town Fort. Greenwell. I did like him as a player and he actually was very underated, but as a person he is way overrated!

BoratSagdiyev · Feb 17, 2005

What's the coincidence?

aceduecetrey said:
You think it was just a coincidence that Dianabol was invented in 1959 and Deca in 1960?

I like him too Fish. When Burks and him came up from Pawtucket and Clemens was pitching I thought surely the Red Sox would win a Championship.

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

Borat Sagdiyev said:
What's the coincidence?

I like him too Fish. When Burks and him came up from Pawtucket and Clemens was pitching I thought surely the Red Sox would win a Championship.

Steroids are invented in 1959 and 60 and soon after a guy who is averaging less than 20 hr per season hit 100 over the next 2 including 61 in 1961.

BoratSagdiyev · Feb 17, 2005

Oh Yeah Maris. Forgot about that. Maybe you have a point.

Fishhead · Feb 17, 2005

aceduecetrey said:
Fish- I know Greenwell has many fans, but the way he acts down here in his hometown is just terrible. I am pretty sure he wants to rename this town Fort. Greenwell. I did like him as a player and he actually was very underated, but as a person he is way overrated!

Really?

I have visiited GREENWELLS batting cages a few times and met his brother there.

---FISH---

Journeyman · Feb 17, 2005

Greenwell was a flash in the pan...Who can blame the guy for wanting a little glory?

aceduecetrey · Feb 17, 2005

Fishhead said:
Really?

I have visiited GREENWELLS batting cages a few times and met his brother there.

---FISH---

Fish- Example...... Greenwell went to North Fort Myers High (same as Deion/kearse) and his Son is going to a different high school. Why you ask? Well Greenwell has cut ties with his old school because they would not name the baseball field after him. Now his son is going to a school that has no track record of producing big league talent. His son is a very good ball player and will still get noticed, but still scouts know high schools not just players.

red007 · Feb 18, 2005

hey mike greenwell:finger: :finger: :finger:
you should have put up better numbers and you'd have gotten the mvp
little whining *****

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