Makes sense to me. I think I remember a poster named "arbking" who mentioned something about limiting him and asked if it happened to anyone else. He may have been part of a syndicate, though, and so Pinnacle's action was to avoid having groups of players effectively circumventing their limits.
But now their software seems to update lines after every wager that's large enough to move it, so I don't think they need to do that anymore.
But now their software seems to update lines after every wager that's large enough to move it, so I don't think they need to do that anymore.
I cant seem to remember ever hearing a poster say the can beat Pinny....its always "i can beat every book cept Pinny"
so it would seem they dont have to worry about "countermeasures"....lol
imo......books that take "countermeasures" are paying attention to the bottom line....that is a good thing...the problem is alot of the books "countermeasures" could be better...
dealing dual lines is a taboo subject......limit reduction is an option, imo not a good one...booting a player just for winning, is for the same books that have "wise-guy" clauses......the same books that dont want to pay a guy for hitting a 12 team parlay or whatever....because he isnt a recreational player...booting an individual solely for winning is the most disgusting thing a book can do.....booting winners is a very controversial topic.....
i remember a localbookmaker cut me off like this.....
i called to check the lines.......he replied "i am on the other line long-distance"
i took that as a "dont call me anymore"
RIO.......is notorious for putting call-in bettors on hold at least me...(if they are beating the number).......i was once even told to call back.......because the system was being upgraded...
Pinny is about as sharp as they get........you would have to be really doing something to get them to throw you a curve-ball.....though beating just about any book on prop-bets, quarter lines.. and such will get you a quick limit reduction....as will players that win betting lesser sports....ie tennis
so it would seem they dont have to worry about "countermeasures"....lol
imo......books that take "countermeasures" are paying attention to the bottom line....that is a good thing...the problem is alot of the books "countermeasures" could be better...
dealing dual lines is a taboo subject......limit reduction is an option, imo not a good one...booting a player just for winning, is for the same books that have "wise-guy" clauses......the same books that dont want to pay a guy for hitting a 12 team parlay or whatever....because he isnt a recreational player...booting an individual solely for winning is the most disgusting thing a book can do.....booting winners is a very controversial topic.....
i remember a localbookmaker cut me off like this.....
i called to check the lines.......he replied "i am on the other line long-distance"
i took that as a "dont call me anymore"
RIO.......is notorious for putting call-in bettors on hold at least me...(if they are beating the number).......i was once even told to call back.......because the system was being upgraded...
Pinny is about as sharp as they get........you would have to be really doing something to get them to throw you a curve-ball.....though beating just about any book on prop-bets, quarter lines.. and such will get you a quick limit reduction....as will players that win betting lesser sports....ie tennis
I don't get why Pinny would make someone call in. With their software's instant line moves and the fact that all software requires you to go to a confirm screen, I would think they would be better off keeping you online, not on the phone. Smart line manager would always get an alert as someone on their hit list was logged on and then when they were about to put something through.
YES. SCARED TO WATCH A NEW BOOK CALLED MANSION THAT COULD DAMAGE THEIR BUSINESS, THEY HAVE PAY SOMEONE TO START TO BLAME IT. THEY MAY HAVE DO THAT IN CONJUCTION WITH OTHER BOOKS. THIS THINGS HAPPENS EVERYDAY IN EVERY BUSINESS OF THIS LIFE SO I AM NOT SURPRISE IN ANY MANNER AND WILL NOT FAIL IN TO THIS TRAP.
nimue77 said:
How do you know this? I would think software could be as quick or even quicker than phone. After all if you don't like the play, you can always say "line changed - no bet" just like you would on the phone. If all big bets are coming in on the phone, I understand a book forcing sharps on the phone. If all the big bets are forced to the net, going away from that to the phone just doesn't sound right to me.
Darryl;
I don't know much, but I'd believe you hit the nail right on the head. Pinnacle has based much of his early business model on the prompt recognition of 'market-makers' and 'market-drivers', they buy the leads and proceed to create their own opportunities. Based on this, I believe they would book all sharp action as early as possible rather than simply declining it.
I personally think a small percentage of Pinnacle's success resides precisely in having access to all the early sharp action. One of the biggest advantages for the sharp players was the possibility of betting large amounts of money at reduced prices, which in the long run makes for the best perk you can have if you bet large.
I believe the only way Pinnacle would decline a package would be if that package was deemed 'useless'.
Related question: Have you noticed as some of the Mansion lines for Hoops seem to be getting sharper and beating the 'steam'? Mansion numbers are 'off-the-screen' and might be getting hit first... now, this is a tendency that might REALLY affect Pinnacle in the long run...
Concorde;
Como vai, caro? Spero che lei fa bene, con una birra in una mano ed una bella figga nell'altro...
I would not think Pinnacle has anything against Mansion... I think that, contrary to the popular opinion, Pinnacle is as happy with Mansion as a 2-year-old kid with a new toy... or as a young buck with a new hottie... :hump:
In fact, the longer they take to grasp the concept of asymetrical straddles in the reduced juice market, the happier they will continue to be...
I don't know much, but I'd believe you hit the nail right on the head. Pinnacle has based much of his early business model on the prompt recognition of 'market-makers' and 'market-drivers', they buy the leads and proceed to create their own opportunities. Based on this, I believe they would book all sharp action as early as possible rather than simply declining it.
I personally think a small percentage of Pinnacle's success resides precisely in having access to all the early sharp action. One of the biggest advantages for the sharp players was the possibility of betting large amounts of money at reduced prices, which in the long run makes for the best perk you can have if you bet large.
I believe the only way Pinnacle would decline a package would be if that package was deemed 'useless'.
Related question: Have you noticed as some of the Mansion lines for Hoops seem to be getting sharper and beating the 'steam'? Mansion numbers are 'off-the-screen' and might be getting hit first... now, this is a tendency that might REALLY affect Pinnacle in the long run...
Concorde;
Como vai, caro? Spero che lei fa bene, con una birra in una mano ed una bella figga nell'altro...
I would not think Pinnacle has anything against Mansion... I think that, contrary to the popular opinion, Pinnacle is as happy with Mansion as a 2-year-old kid with a new toy... or as a young buck with a new hottie... :hump:
In fact, the longer they take to grasp the concept of asymetrical straddles in the reduced juice market, the happier they will continue to be...
Walk of Life said:
Bene Walk grazie, anche la figa!:hump:
I hope that someone is not giving fake news to bad advertise Mansion. Could you say that these things did not happens in this World everyday? Just take a look CNN vs Foxnews ( GO BILL'O! ). I would love to know how the real story is, in any case even if that is true, a guy like Sampoerna will have no problems to pay so there will be the money to honour all the accounts ( and he will still millionaire!!! ) so a DIFFERENT situation than previouses when books that failed where REALLY unable to pay.
Only if Sampoerna is dishonest we cant do nothing. Like we already sad everyone should decide with his own mind. For me the fact that they ALWAYS paid ( and high $$$ many times ) in a timely manner should be strongly consider. When Mansion opened up in September i did played with them but only a few $. I started use more $ late in the year.
Ciao!
Walk of Life said:
I'm not too familiar with what's on the screen, what's not, which numbers get hit first etc. I just decide what I want to bet at a certain point in time, look for the best number and bet it. Keeping track of steam takes the steam out of me lol...I figure it's just a bunch of random sh*t that won't produce any recognizable patterns...kind of like technical analysis...for the most part it's hocus pocus IMO.
I find, however, that Mansion's lines are quite sharp since I find the best line there a lot less often than one would expect given that they have such low juice. The reason I don't believe they are super sharp is that they used to be super pea-brained and made mistakes that an intelligent beginner would never make. But they do seem to be able to hold their own and there's no question they've improved a ton. My money's on them being around a long time.
So I take it nobody except horse players got limited, dual lined or booted at Pinnacle!? Pretty impressive if that's the case.
