Why Shrink Shills For A New Book And Puts The Players Interest In His Pocket

i want to make sure that Shrink understands where i am coming from.....

forget about Mansion.......

this forum is suppossed (from what you have said in the past) to keep gamblers up to date on the do's and dont's of betting offshore......mediate disputes between gamblers and books.......expose the scammers and fly by night books.....and doing so in a impartial way...

this is a great service to everybody.........except when the main man associated with the forum lets his own agendas get in the way of what the site is suppossed to do........

the majority of people on this forum make the decision on where to bet, how much to bet and so on on their own judgement...seasoned gamblers know where i am coming from..

with that said.......you have to realize that 90% of people who gamble are like sheep.......i know this for a fact because i see it happen everyday......

novice gamblers look for what they percieve to be solid advice....be it who to bet on, how much to bet....and lastly where to bet.....

Shrink likes to remind you....that he has rubbed shoulders with the elite in the gambling world....bookmakers and bettors alike........that would make any novice gambler follow a person like that without giving it a second thought.......

shrink says play at this book......newbie says ok
shrink says dont play at that book.........newbies says ok

when a player complains about a no-pay or slow pay situation....Shrink is quick to investigate........and if the players complaint is legit........Shrink lets the gambling world know that the books in trouble.......a fact that 99% of the time the books demise was expected sooner or later by everybody cept the newbie......all of this makes Shrinks word gold to the newbie........

knowing this fact......you think Shrink would be very prudent in suggesting which book to send money too....

he and i both know that any sportsbook with less than 5-7 years under their belt is suspect....all new sportsbooks should be treated the same...i dont give a **** if the richest man in the world is backing it so what.......people thought that Betpanam had a whole country backing it......

the problem with Shrink is that he lets his interest in books influence what he says to the world.....none of the established books NEED Shrink......with the way the market has become...new books have to get a foothold immediately...and to do that you need someone with influence to be on your side.....work with us and we will work for you is how it is......

Shrink knows this.......the only way he is going to publicly back a new book is if he has enough vested interest in the deal to compensate himself if the book flops..........

larry, curly and moe could open up shop and Shrink would use them in the same sentence as Mansion.......if the deal was good enough

Shrinks other project Betpanam...should have been a warning to any new shop entertaining the idea of holding hands with Shrink.......that book was plundered by Shrink, his sheets, beards and wise-guys.....btw who got their money........

Shrink knows that the only benchmark to prove that a sportsbook is solid.. is longevity,......not who owns it or who backs it or whatever.......

in order to keep the players best interest in mind.......you cant be in bed with the book...........its impossible.......

you dont back up anything you say by commenting on a personal expierence with mansion, pinnacle fanboy

dimeplayersonly said:

i want to make sure that Shrink understands where i am coming from.....

forget about Mansion.......

this forum is suppossed (from what you have said in the past) to keep gamblers up to date on the do's and dont's of betting offshore......mediate disputes between gamblers and books.......expose the scammers and fly by night books.....and doing so in a impartial way...

this is a great service to everybody.........except when the main man associated with the forum lets his own agendas get in the way of what the site is suppossed to do........

the majority of people on this forum make the decision on where to bet, how much to bet and so on on their own judgement...seasoned gamblers know where i am coming from..

with that said.......you have to realize that 90% of people who gamble are like sheep.......i know this for a fact because i see it happen everyday......

novice gamblers look for what they percieve to be solid advice....be it who to bet on, how much to bet....and lastly where to bet.....

Shrink likes to remind you....that he has rubbed shoulders with the elite in the gambling world....bookmakers and bettors alike........that would make any novice gambler follow a person like that without giving it a second thought.......

shrink says play at this book......newbie says ok
shrink says dont play at that book.........newbies says ok

when a player complains about a no-pay or slow pay situation....Shrink is quick to investigate........and if the players complaint is legit........Shrink lets the gambling world know that the books in trouble.......a fact that 99% of the time the books demise was expected sooner or later by everybody cept the newbie......all of this makes Shrinks word gold to the newbie........

knowing this fact......you think Shrink would be very prudent in suggesting which book to send money too....

he and i both know that any sportsbook with less than 5-7 years under their belt is suspect....all new sportsbooks should be treated the same...i dont give a **** if the richest man in the world is backing it so what.......people thought that Betpanam had a whole country backing it......

the problem with Shrink is that he lets his interest in books influence what he says to the world.....none of the established books NEED Shrink......with the way the market has become...new books have to get a foothold immediately...and to do that you need someone with influence to be on your side.....work with us and we will work for you is how it is......

Shrink knows this.......the only way he is going to publicly back a new book is if he has enough vested interest in the deal to compensate himself if the book flops..........

larry, curly and moe could open up shop and Shrink would use them in the same sentence as Mansion.......if the deal was good enough

Shrinks other project Betpanam...should have been a warning to any new shop entertaining the idea of holding hands with Shrink.......that book was plundered by Shrink, his sheets, beards and wise-guys.....btw who got their money........

Shrink knows that the only benchmark to prove that a sportsbook is solid.. is longevity,......not who owns it or who backs it or whatever.......

in order to keep the players best interest in mind.......you cant be in bed with the book...........its impossible.......

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You can also check sportsbookreview.com - they give mansion a C which is excellent for a book as new as Mansion. SBR is a quality site.

robfunk.......babe..this thread is about Shrink...not whether or not Mansion, Pinny or any other book is solid....its why Shrink vouches for new books....


btw...i have never had a "personal experience" with any sportsbook...

As rough as I've been on Shrink over Mansion (I happen to agree with most\all of what Dime has said), don't believe for a minute that SBR John is unbiased.

Hell, he might as well be called "VIP John". I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.

My advice to you and anybody else, dimeplayer, is to take anything you hear with a grain of salt - on here....and anywhere else for that matter. Always do your own research and judge for yourself.

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By my reckoning good ole Shrink didn't own this site when Mansion came along. He didn't own it when many of the books up on the banner right now signed up either. Shrink could certainly raise his voice about something he was certain was a bad apple and the ownership might listen, but at the end of the day it isn't Shrink's call anymore. He didn't give this place away by any means, so he can't expect the current owners to pass on advertising revenues out of goodwill to his name can he?

dimes youre upset becuase in a few threads, shrink hints at the fact he likes mansion?!

i havent seen him dedicate a thread to it, but even if shrink was really saying "play at mansion" like you say you dont do anything to suggest that is a bad idea except say panam failed. like wow, everytime someone says a book is good are you just going to go into ancient history and say "ya but what about panam"

mansion isnt even the only out he talks about

big f*cking deal...

shrink is not here to hold our hands.... if newbies blindly through more money than they can afford based on what is said on a message board.... then they only have themselves to blame....

of course SHRINK is gonna help support advertisors... this is a business isnt it? not a charity????

why it bothers you to the degree where you wrote the essay that you did... is beyond me.

Rob, in all fairness, Mansion is a new book.....and a new book with high limits, free transfers, and the lowest juice around. Throw in the fact that they have had a very rough start, and someone would have to be a god damn idiot to at least not wonder how long they will stick around.

Panam was the last new book which was pumped(rather heavily) by this site. They were also said to be very, very well funded. We all know how that ended.

Mansion is not Panam, but there are some similarities, and it makes perfect sense to be a little gunshy about them.

I'm not picking on anyone here, but sometimes I feel like one of the very few who are actually being objective when looking at this book.

Rob........no sir........its the fact that the only time Shrink will gush over a new book is when he has a vested interest in it........

NO NOT ADVERTISING REVENUE........wildbill

no vested interest in the book?? then Shrink issues then correct and standard assessment of the book.........play with caution....good guys, but only time will tell..........


give Shrink the keys to the store and he will tell anybody listening they are next best thing since sliced bread.......

sorry but that just isnt the same as someone saying that they like a new book, for legit reasons...ie. lines/reduced juice...

What is the deal with the money behind this book?

People have said the guy is billionaire. Even if the book does fold, wouldn't the billionaire pay what everyone is owed. I doubt a high profile dude would want his reputation tarnished.


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Just a question here.....How does anyone know who actually owns books?

its true. mansion isnt the business venture start up that pan am was. its a horrid comaprison

In the mean time the Super Bowl has come and gone and every one of the Rx. advertiser books is still in operation writing action and paying winners everyday. The industry is booming new books open all the time yet according to what I just read none are any good unless they are at least 5 years old. So using that logic more than half the books operating offshore today are dangerous risks for any player newbie or veteran gambler alike. This whole post by Dimeplayeronly sounds like a personal thing between him and Shrink (who by the way does not own this site). Does Dime hold Shrink solely responsible because the typhoid mary of bad books BetPanAm was promoted by Shrink (among many others). BPAM is over, people were unfortunatley fooled by some flash and a bogus governemnt guarantee but to listen to Dime it was all Shrinks's fault the book went under. Countless hours have been spent by Rx. staff led by Shrink getting people paid with no one looking for a penny for themselves. Unfortunately we could not squeeze blood from a Panamanian stone.

Shrink believes Mansion will succeed and that very much is his perrogative. The expression look at BetPan Am is now a cliche and has no connection to Mansion or any other book new or old. It happened just like an earthquake, or car wreck tragic but now if you ask me it's time to get over it. Players still owed money I sincerely hope somehow you get paid. Good luck

The Rx. is a drop in the bucket for Mansion as far a customer source goes just another banner on the internet.

BTW. If the established books no longer need the Rx. why are there banners still up there.

Dime I have always liked you but you are starting to sound agenda driven yourself when t comes to Shrink. You claim you know details about Shrink's sheets on an open forum, what kind of bull is that. 90% of people are like sheep is another piece of misinformation, we have well over 20 advertisers here probably the least amount of posters play at Mansion than any other Rx. Book .

What deal does Shrink have at Mansion? He has an account there he openly admits that but you make him sound like Cheney and Haliburton. I certainly have never heard of any deal and have NEVER been asked to offer special attention to Mansion or any other book for that matter in the 13 months I have worked for the Rx. The truth is Shrink believes the that Mansion will have success and be around a long time, he has even offered to guarantee players funds to proove his trust in this book. There is no secret deal between Mansion and Shrink. To Mansion The Rx. and Shrink himself are small potatoes. They have a banner here thats it.

Longetivity is great but there are also people in this world capable of making an enterprise succeed from the start, I mean at some point Oly, Pinny, CRIS, WWTS and the rest of the older books were all brand new but they somehow made it. Are those owners better people than the new owners at Mansion or any other new book just because they have longevity. Possible but not absolutely and no one proove otherwise.


Shrink is no longer owner of this site but he does have influence with posters here and from my seat he has the poster's (new and old) interest at heart and works hard to help anyone who comes his way with a sportsbook problem I have seen this happen often in the last year.


I hope you don't automaticlly say what an azzhole wilheim is for writing this post (completely on my own - no one asked me to say anything) just because we disagree, but if that is the case so be it.


Best of luck, wil.

InSpades said:

What is the deal with the money behind this book?

People have said the guy is billionaire. Even if the book does fold, wouldn't the billionaire pay what everyone is owed. I doubt a high profile dude would want his reputation tarnished.


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Sampoerna is his last name and he's on the Forbes 500.

Wil.....the bottom line is that Shrink's opinion on whether or not a new book is solid and will be around for ever or if the book will fold quickly.....can be negotiated.....

i am not trying to discredit Shrink.......i am only trying to point out the fact that his motives for giving a new book its props (and in Mansion's case probably deservedly)
dont have a thing to do with "him believing they will be around a long time"



since you ask if i have a personal agenda with Shrink......

since Shrink has nothing but pure intentions.........ask him why he knowingly let a group of scammers stiff several books, me included and only until they got too books HE had an interest in......only then did he finally warn books....

so forgive me if i get offended when Shrink puts his "holier than thou" cap on.....


Journeyman................everything is lovely my way...thanks for asking

Serious accusations...

Shrink knowingly sent scammers your way ?

Why is this just coming out now, how long ago was this?

Can you prove it?

Interesting timing...:movingeye

i didnt say Shrink sent scammers my way........


your a mod.........look up the thread where Shrink warns books about a group of scammers from fla.......about three years ago....


the same group he warned books about, is the same group, that he knew had stiffed several books including mine.....