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I have been playing for a while now and I am not the best but not bad either....

Today alone in fixed limit games I have gone to the river in the lead and dominating an opponent to lose on the river who was trying to draw out....

This has happened 11 times today and I lost everyone...

took the same in a NL tourney also...

Do you think the program controls who wins and loses in cycles on purpose or is it random....I think this is more than coincidence.... It seems the program has the hand predetermined I did not think this before but not so sure now...

Anyone with knowledge of the workings of software at these poker sites please give me some info.....

Thanks in advance........
 

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This my opinion with the same experience.

Don't try to out muscle with a good hand and don't slow play with a good hand.Everytime I try to outmuscle some stupid coxsucker with a 4,9 off suit stays with me and draws a full house to beat my 3 Aces.
Also I 've a pair of kings and slow played trying to draw the godless heathens in only to be blugeoned with 4 of a kind on the old riviera.

Where do you play??

call and raise as you should just watch the reraises thats when sh1t goes awry.See if that helps.....just don't get cute thats when you get in thee ass without a proper reach around.
 

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Patriot, the problem is people won't be bet out of the pot no matter what they have most of the time....I do not play cute I call, raise, and re-raise when it is called for I also fold a crap hand like 37 to see 337 on the flop all the time.....

It is a f'ing joke...When I play live these people take a beating every time but online they get rewarded and it seems the program pre-determines who will win no mattter what the percentages of the hand....

It is a joke and I really think it is fixed, now...

Pacific and Party...Looking to find something else will try another next week probably.....

Yeah I noticed re-raising does not hold any weight online and usually bites you in the ass...I have basically just been calling and raising...Only re-rasing when I absolutely have the nuts....
 

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All Online Casinos And Poker Games Are Fixed. I Get This Info From Two People Working Offshore And I Have Been Preaching This For Years. Wake Up People!!!
 

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I think more casinos are fixed online then poker rooms ...
 

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Actually my info was only about online casinos, I guess I have no coment on playing Poker online but I would think it to is fixed, but that is only my opinion.
 

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I do not think it is fixed and I've played tens of thousands of hands for years. (I beta tested Poker Stars before they went live for real money.)

You see the same beats online that you do in casinos albeit less frequently (because there are fewer hands dealt). For example, just last week in a live NL game there were these two examples:

1) I have AA I get it headsup preflop by reraising a raiser. Flop comes 338, I bet about half the pot, I get raised and I move all-in he calls and shows KK and obviously catches one of his two Kings at the river to take the pot.

I guess I need to complain to Donald Trump about the game being fixed in his casino after I specifically told the dealer not to screw me before he started dealing the turn and river.

2) I have 44 and like 6 people call a $15 raise and see the flop of 4TQ. Early position player bets I raise and a player after me reraises. Headsup the rest of the way with a Ten coming on the river. Swami takes down a monster pot with Fours full and cracks KK.

That guy should complain about the game being fixed since I caught one of my two outs. Although his biggest problem was that he was newish to the table and needed to understand that his Kings don't have a chance in a 6-7 way flop and in that game his raise needed to be MUCH larger to limit the field. The table LOVED action and a $15 bet did nothing but say "hey guys, I'm building a pot; all players with a half a hand please join me."

My only point is that I'm sure some online poker RNG are better than others but the game is not fixed. My bet is that collusion does exist.

What we are seeing with the "online poker is fixed" threads is just normal gambling feedback. Most players lose and when they do they cry that the game is fixed. I wasn't around for the hey day of bookmaking but my guess is that most people thought the books were fixing games because the final scores were close to the lines laid by the book. Poker is a numbers game as well. Either enjoy it for the socially fun game that it is or if you want to play to win focus on odds and playing your opposition.
 

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Harrington, I agree with you. People may disagree with me, but I have played BJ online trying to find a real odds game that is not fixed. Not yet. What is neat is that they still fit the wins/losses into the required stats, they really do. I would go on winning streaks that were unbelieveable, I MEAN CRAZY. Just multiply the chips several times. BUT, then go on a losing streak that Boston fans would cry about. Seriously, I am a great BJ player at the actual real card casinos. And I know how to take my bad beats. I understand that.

Online, when you are on the winning streak if you begin increasing your bets, you begin to lose. If you are on the losing streak and begin increasing bets, you lose. I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT POKER, but why would it not be similar? But, it may be fair, I really do believe ONLINE BJ is rigged with a very good dose of psychology involved in the way they play the player. Some people say they win online bj after playing thousands and thousands of hands. I say, OK. I don't disbelieve these people. They also always say that I am a sore loser hack. No, I'm not. I have a heavy education in math/stats and economics. I understand probability. I will say one thing further about games of chance online: If I were an unregulated industry that had an online 'card' game that people loved to play, I could make it where 1.) their play hit 46% of the hands as wins, that they won lots of money when they bet the way I wanted them to, but 2.) THEN if they kept playing and/or began changing their wager amounts I could decide wins or losses in my casino's favor until they lost everything. Maybe there is a way to beat online BJ as others claim. I don't disagree. I haven't found it, and regardless, the online games of chance are not random as far as I've seen. What's neat about sports wagering online is that they can't tell you which team to pick!!! So, I stick to sports wagering online.

FURTHER, when you are playing online poker with a few 'real' people, who is to say that two or three of them aren't on another chat room or phone lines discussing play to win a pot for one of the colluding players...sharing info on cards held, increasing pot size for another player that has a winning hand...etc.

Good luck all. tulsa
 
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Patriot, the problem is people won't be bet out of the pot no matter what they have most of the time....I do not play cute I call, raise, and re-raise when it is called for I also fold a crap hand like 37 to see 337 on the flop all the time.....

Yeah I know,its common place.....I also know for a fact that the last 2 weeks I am losing A,A,..A,Ks...A,K at about a 35-65% rate being agresive.

Today if you play mark down W/L ratio on those 3 type hands...Thats what i am going to do and I'll share my results.

The other thing is I play at 1-2$ games and 2-4$. I don't know if this sh1t happens at higher level tables.
I do know that I am starting to play a lot looser game and doing better.I'll go in with a 3,7 suited and play to the river for a set or a possible flush and my results are equel to that of AA it seems.

To get back to what you said though I was playing in a live tourney 250$ buy in. (Fred Smerlas tourney in Saugus) blinds were 300-600 I got 1500 left and am on the button I get dealt A,J suited and go all in the BB, and SB have about 5000 left in chips not a lot but a cushion. BB calls my 1500 with Q,7 off suit natrually he wins with a pair of Queens and I am out.But the guy had no buisness calling me...So that happens live too.
 

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Does anyone agree that collusion within a poker game online would be very easy and probably happens quite a bit? Yes/No? tulsa
 
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look stop, its a random cycle

your gonna take horrific beats, and you wont remember your miracle rivers.

It's not fixed, give it up. The good guys win in the end.


Go to your local library, pick up some poker books and educate yourself.

(This is not aimed at anyone in particular, just a general comment).
 

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Doberman, what about collusion among online players? tulsa
 

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I came to the conclusion that it is not fixed

when I lost I got outplayed, when I won I did a good job using my head

the only thing I am concerned with is the use of 'bots' . do they really exist?!

all this talk about poker, I might have to get back into it
 

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I would agree that Online Blackjack is not as random as a deck of cards in a Casino. 1 thing I have noticed is when you get a good hand to double on if you do it most of the time you will get a bad card. On those same situations if you do not double you get a face card. I also find the losing streaks are too harsh too often. Online BlackJack is nothing more than a lottery video machine. This is just my opinion and accept being 100% wrong if guys have evidence to show me otherwise.

Online Poker must be played at a reputable establishment. Collusion no question exists but by playing tournaments you can be more secure that collusion will not take place. On the site that I use when you enter in a tournament they randomly place the players.

Bottom line is use only reputable sites for Online Poker and never play Online Casino other than for the pure entertainment value of the money.
 

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Tulsa said:
Does anyone agree that collusion within a poker game online would be very easy and probably happens quite a bit? Yes/No? tulsa

Collusion exists but my guess is that if you play at a site with many tables you are less likely to be a victim of it. In some cases where I've seen it, I reported it along with others at the table. I've also seen players be so obvious about it that it wasn't very effective.

Of all the years I've played online I can say I've seen less than a half dozen instances of collusion but I'm sure I've played with colluders I did not detect. I also bet that I've played with guys who shared cards.

The game is still beatable with these hurdles. I'll stop playing when the games stop becoming beatable.
 

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Tulsa said:
Does anyone agree that collusion within a poker game online would be very easy and probably happens quite a bit? Yes/No? tulsa

Yes, probably more than you think.
 
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Tulsa said:
Does anyone agree that collusion within a poker game online would be very easy and probably happens quite a bit? Yes/No? tulsa
I know of a few guys who tried to beat Paradise a few years back and they did not do well and were caught after less than 3 weeks.
 

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I know of a few guys who tried to beat Paradise a few years back and they did not do well and were caught after less than 3 weeks.

IMO the guys who are bad at it (meaning not discrete) and get caught never do well. I saw a suspected team actually lose money once.
 

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My question would be do the pretend (no money) games perform the same way as the real $ games...I am mainly speaking of the software and the way the cards come on flop,turn, river. Are the no money games truly random and then the money games "fixed" to allow just about everyone to win some pots once in awhile but to keep the sharks from devouring all the little square fish? Seems the sites would have a big interest in keeping as many players as possible around. The thing is that in a real live casino game the dealer does not know what your two hole cards are and can't give you "runner runner" to beat a stronger hand but online this is certainly possible. The consensus from reading what players say on this site is that online blackjack is definitely rigged, so why wouldn't poker be? I know the house only makes money from entry fee's and the rake, but as stated earlier the more people it can make feel like they can actually win at this the more they will keep around. And they can definitely track your winnings etc...
 

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