I would like to ask a representative of WSEX to explain why there is a very lengthy delay on my straight wagers and all my big wagers are being denied after the delay. This is very irritating and I think unethical to have a huge delay and then deny the wager based on which side is played quite possibly. I would also note that the last line I tried was at that line for at least a half hour or more and I refresed just before making the attempted play.
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The last line tou tried to bet that was denied was the first half of Milwaukee
Miami game. You tried to bet it after an alert came on Don Best that Desmond Mason was upgraded to expected to play. You were about the fourth guy who tried to bet that line. The first one was approved and your bet was denied. Perhaps you would be better off at a book that doesn't use Don Best.
The last line tou tried to bet that was denied was the first half of Milwaukee
Miami game. You tried to bet it after an alert came on Don Best that Desmond Mason was upgraded to expected to play. You were about the fourth guy who tried to bet that line. The first one was approved and your bet was denied. Perhaps you would be better off at a book that doesn't use Don Best.
Why not call a book before running to the forums. Yes, the forum is for advice and help, but first try and resolve the issue quietly. You didn't even call WSEX for an explanation???
I dont understand why people run to forums before contacting the book. If that does nothing, then chose to post, or take it to a mod.
Especially is the book is in the top 10, which I feel WSEX is.
Hope all is well, which we all know will be.
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I dont understand why people run to forums before contacting the book. If that does nothing, then chose to post, or take it to a mod.
Especially is the book is in the top 10, which I feel WSEX is.
Hope all is well, which we all know will be.
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wsexsteve said:
Observation 1:
After all this, how can WSEX have an attitude?
What is this little jab about using a book without Don Best?
WSEX made the line, so WSEX has to live with it. If WSEX had changed the line or put it OTB fast enough, maybe the guy wouldn't have tried to hit it. So instead of him trying to hit a book without Don Best, how about WSEX being faster than a player in updating lines?
Observation 2:
The guy didn't even call WSEX before he posted on the RX? That is neither smart nor courteous. I have no sympathy for people like that - and maybe that is why WSEXSteve seemed a little arrogant - heck, I would be mad if someone did that to me too.
I was a little confused by the using a book without Don Best line. Why the attitude WSEX? You explained what happened with the last line but how about the previous times he referenced?
Also, it didn't matter if Desmond Mason, Anthony Mason and the ex-UVA player Roger Mason played, this game was ugly.
Also, it didn't matter if Desmond Mason, Anthony Mason and the ex-UVA player Roger Mason played, this game was ugly.
It's there perogative what too allow you too bet online. I know at WSEX for me a 1k wager gets accepted automatically, anything more than that they have set too manually approve. Even if Don Best is painted they deny my wager above 1k, so I don't even try anymore. I have no problem with it, it's their business, they can run it however they see fit.
drunk said:
Yes and no. Books can generally set their own rules of course, but there are some things that books just can't do, or shouldn't be "allowed" to do. One of those things, in my humble opinion, is when they "TAKE" your bet on a valid posted line, then they should BOOK that line. In my opinion the action of hitting PLACE WAGER at WSEX (or any other book) is the internet equivalent of calling the book by phone, letting them know who you are, being quoted verbally Dallas -5, saying give me 1100 on Dallas -5 and then the book saying hold please... come back 30 seconds later saying "sorry, the line has changed, we don't want your action". Books should not able to use a players' "information", basically, "for free". Or put another way, quoting a line on the phone, like posting a valid number on the internet, is an OFFER....when someone calls to irrevocably place the wager...it is ACCEPTANCE. Offer + acceptance = contract.
I feel this is something we as players should agree on and hold books too.
All IMHO.
I'd be curious to see an opinion on this issue (not specifically relating to WSEX, just on the issue in general) from John at SBR and Roberto at TOW. Am I expecting too much from an internet sportsbook?
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D2bets, I absolutely agree. If the books didn't honor wagers, what is to prevent a book from, say, making the Super Bowl line to be 7.5 (instead of the 7 that it was)??? They could actually take in all the New England wagers laying 7.5 (from squares who didn't have another out) and then refuse any wager on the Eagles, couldn't they?
Of all the books, WSEX has no excuse to deny wagers based on size because their software is not one where a player types in a wager amount. You pull it down and scroll to the amount you want. So if $1,000 is not even an option to choose from, nobody can make a $1,000 bet. So if someone does make a large wager, you won't get your panties in a bundle.
The problem is that they do want $1,000 bets, or else it wouldn't be an option - they just don't want certain people to place those bets. Well, if that is the case, then change the options for that person.
I mean, WSEX needs to stop acting like a little girl. Spend the money, customize the software so you can honor your wagers and update your lines (or go OTB) when you see it pop up on DB. Once you give a player a line, and he makes a play within the limits that his software shows, they should honor it. It's not like the guy is typing in a $1,000 bet - he is selecting it from an option that is presented to him.
Of all the books, WSEX has no excuse to deny wagers based on size because their software is not one where a player types in a wager amount. You pull it down and scroll to the amount you want. So if $1,000 is not even an option to choose from, nobody can make a $1,000 bet. So if someone does make a large wager, you won't get your panties in a bundle.
The problem is that they do want $1,000 bets, or else it wouldn't be an option - they just don't want certain people to place those bets. Well, if that is the case, then change the options for that person.
I mean, WSEX needs to stop acting like a little girl. Spend the money, customize the software so you can honor your wagers and update your lines (or go OTB) when you see it pop up on DB. Once you give a player a line, and he makes a play within the limits that his software shows, they should honor it. It's not like the guy is typing in a $1,000 bet - he is selecting it from an option that is presented to him.
I'm pretty sure this is a complaint that we are involved in so it needs to run its course.
HOWEVER, the "delay awaiting approval" function built into the last software upgrade must be used carefully. We have seen it demo'd at several books and thanks to Royal Sports who let us watch how they use it in great detail.
We have talked to several books and I personally believe its a train wreck waiting to happen. Basically, it gives the book the power to bait-and-switch a line to players they deem arbitragers or movers. Well OK, its important to control those two groups but if it works so well on them why not use it on sharps and if it works so well on arbs, movers and sharps why not include the half-a-brain group and so on.
The "delay awaiting approval" feature allows a bm to code certain players and force those players to have every bet approved. This gives the BM a free shot at a bet. He sees what the player wants and can deny the bet even though he offers the line. Why offer the line if you are not going to take the bet?
This is not the way the market is supposed to work. Players, like the Rx posters, should complain and make their feelings known. Right now this is limited to arbs(middlers, grinders, bonus hoes) and movers but I could see this spread to sharps and half-brains and eventually maybe even squares.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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HOWEVER, the "delay awaiting approval" function built into the last software upgrade must be used carefully. We have seen it demo'd at several books and thanks to Royal Sports who let us watch how they use it in great detail.
We have talked to several books and I personally believe its a train wreck waiting to happen. Basically, it gives the book the power to bait-and-switch a line to players they deem arbitragers or movers. Well OK, its important to control those two groups but if it works so well on them why not use it on sharps and if it works so well on arbs, movers and sharps why not include the half-a-brain group and so on.
The "delay awaiting approval" feature allows a bm to code certain players and force those players to have every bet approved. This gives the BM a free shot at a bet. He sees what the player wants and can deny the bet even though he offers the line. Why offer the line if you are not going to take the bet?
This is not the way the market is supposed to work. Players, like the Rx posters, should complain and make their feelings known. Right now this is limited to arbs(middlers, grinders, bonus hoes) and movers but I could see this spread to sharps and half-brains and eventually maybe even squares.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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D2, I agree with you..BUT...it's a waste of my energy too try and fight it with WSEX, so I don't. I'll take the dime and move on. As far as what John says, he's right too. If your afraid too take a bet your all in the wrong damn business. I know of one book( I won't name them) that was betting out the game but not accepting the bets...they learned thier lesson on trying that bullshit real fast if you get my drift LOL
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JohnBuzz said:
If this is how the feature works, get ready for one serious sh!tstorm......this is going to step on a lot of toes. Even it if sounded good in theory, the opportunity for manipulation is beyond ugly.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and how many others come out of the walls running into the same thing.
JohnBuzz, thank you for confirming what I had begun to suspect about Royal.
Anytime I have tried to make an "above-average" bet, the screen just stalls, and stalls, and stalls........until finally they accept they bet after a wait period of 30-45 seconds.
To be fair, I should mention that they have always accepted my bet at the line I submitted to....but that still doesn't make it right....
Personally, I believe this tactic to be absolute horsehiitt....and Royal is certainly not the only book to participate in this back-alley behavior....in fact, I will open a new thread about this topic...
BAUS
Anytime I have tried to make an "above-average" bet, the screen just stalls, and stalls, and stalls........until finally they accept they bet after a wait period of 30-45 seconds.
To be fair, I should mention that they have always accepted my bet at the line I submitted to....but that still doesn't make it right....
Personally, I believe this tactic to be absolute horsehiitt....and Royal is certainly not the only book to participate in this back-alley behavior....in fact, I will open a new thread about this topic...
BAUS
TTinCO said:
No "If"s about it ... this is definitely how it works, and not just at WSEX and Royal. Rio/Skybook/IIS and BetJamaica do it to myself and many others.
And the newest addition (just last week) to this elite group is ... the VO Group ... yes, V-Wager, MVP SportsBook, Players SuperBook, etc. ... they just started doing it too.
No doubt there are other books that are doing it to other people.
I agree with basically all of the comments that D2Bets, Cincy, and Buzz have already made in this thread.
The only thing that I will say that lends even a small bit of credibility to the above-mentioned books ... is that whenever they do reject my bets after a delay, they DO actually change the line afterwards - they don't keep accepting bets on the other side with the original number.
But as D2Bets mentioned, the reason that they change the line in the first place is because I (the bettor) provide them with "free information" by attempting to place the bet ... they only realize that the line is slightly out of whack AFTER I attempt to place my bet, and they only change the line AFTER they've rejected my attempted bet, not before.
Plain and simple, this isn't right ... I feel like sending them a bill for my services that I have provided to them as a part-time linesman.
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