A nice letter from Bet365...

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Mar 28, 2005

Dear Omnivorous Frog,

In order to reward existing customers and attract new customers, Bet365 make regular offers such as bonuses and Bonus Bets.

These offers are expensive and Bet365 policy is therefore not to allow them to a customer account where we consider the offers could make a significant difference to the likely profitability of that account.

Unfortunately we have identified your account as one of those, which should be disqualified from receiving offers. Please therefore take this letter as notice that your account will not be credited with the benefit of any offers with effect from Thursday 24th February 2005.

If you require any furthur assistance with regards to this or any other matter please do not hesitate to call Customer Services. Our team are available 24 hours a day by e-mail or telephone and we will be pleased to assist you.

Yours Sincerely,
Chris Griffiths

Strange timing as I was cutoff, 90% limit cut, back in early 2004. My last wager there was over a year ago. Guess a black mark is permanent here. I was done with my new account and reload bonus already, so I did not qualify for any. And let me assure you, I would not need a bonus to change the likelihood of profitability there. The traders just flatly stated I was not a desirable player. The in game betting was the softest lines I have ever seen. If there was a time to beard?

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

blueedwards · Mar 28, 2005

got the same thing a couple weeks ago.

oldmanTED · Mar 28, 2005

OF:

I have a question for you. What would you do if you got cut off completely from most of the major books and were left with only minor books as possible outs? How would you conduct business?

RPM · Mar 28, 2005

i have never recieved a letter saying i was too sharp. :sad3:

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Mar 28, 2005

Either continue on a limited scale. Reduced positions and opportunities. Or get out of business completely. Tough question as I have many more questions about the question. Dependent on which books were remaining. You start taking away the gravy, loyalty bonus, Bonus Plays, reduced juice and free half points and I would have trouble remaining consistently profitable. But I am from the old school handwritten days, so I could always find an earn, just not as easy. Maybe shift back to poker. Maybe retire and fish. On the other side of that question, I count my blessings everyday. The free half point, the reduced juice, Bonus Plays and other perks. I could not be in better position to exploit all of these gimmes. Even if a nightmare scenario presented itself, there would be betting, and I would profit somehow, some way. Hope all is well with you Ted.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

peskypup · Mar 28, 2005

sign up there

anyone who does not have an account with 365 should sign up. A pretty liquid book with some real grannies setting their lines in a whole range of sports.

tennis, bases, rugby, baskets, NFL, golf, non major league soccer, F1.

Anything except horses and I beat them hollow, but for the past 2 years I've been on $5 max for all sports.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Mar 28, 2005

blue edwards said:
got the same thing a couple weeks ago.

Blue, I received mine mid Feb. Do you still bet there? If not, when was your last bet there? I know I have a good year of inactivity there. I fought more to stay in there, than any other book. Why, the ingame betting and candy stores lines. Finally got to talk with a trader after getting stymied by customer service for many phone calls. Why have my limits been cut 90%? It was up to the traders. What was their rationale? It was a business decision. Why was the decision made? Because they felt there was little chance to profit from my account. Finally get a honest mate who will talk. I guess first bad move was quintupling my initial new player and reup money. Back then there was a limit of how much bonus you could get. So I started with max, and reup bonus was the same, so I maxxed it next day. Rollover and time were not a factor. Crucified them on in game betting. Middle them when they move the number, scalp them when they moved the juice. I called it, in game profits. I tried to use some of their numbers to middle to balance and they won too. It was very ugly, very quick. So trader tells me they prefer to cater to a bloke enjoying his pint and wanted a few quid on the contest. He then informed me I was identified as professional immediately. But they let me roll, to their credit, and I wasted them. They were always professional, courteous and paid perfectly. Honored all bonuses, all 2. That was not even the issue, as it was less than 2% of my take. Guy finally said, we can't beat you. Cool, I respect that. See you later. Kept them around with mini limits, pounded them some more and left. Might even have a balance or something. What was your experience, if I may ask?

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

honestabe · Mar 28, 2005

they sent most their punters a letter with Bonus Bet offers but must have realised that limited customers were getting it too, so had to hastily send off the letter you received OF.
most people got them on the same day, so open this letter with all the free offers, then another one saying sorry you don't qualify. great customer service.

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Mar 28, 2005

I must have not received the get something good offer letter. I only got the you get nothing letter. That makes a lot more sense. I always respected their customer service. Well spoken, well mannered and professional. I think marketing was the culprit here. Thanks for the info.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

PanchoSanza · Mar 28, 2005

they're a joke, $50 limits to win in baseball and football.:finger:

OMNIVOROUS FROG · Mar 28, 2005

I was getting fat limits at first, nickels in game, 2 dimes sides and totals. Limited was $250 sides, bit below my minimum, but I had another book that cut me to 250, so I would hit both to reach my nickel. I know they are a risk aversion store, but to get in unnoticed and whack the crap out of them was entertaining. I would advocate them for the recreational bettor, or for someone who wants to hit and run. Long term prospects are like Pancho says, a joke. I thought they had a banner here?

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:

Groucho · Mar 28, 2005

I got fed up with their limits and high-juice offerings so I said, "Screw it. I'm done with these guys," and pulled all my money out. About two months later I got that letter.

Over the next couple days, I got the same letter 6 more times.

:lolBIG:

Concorde · Mar 28, 2005

oldmanTED said:
OF:

I have a question for you. What would you do if you got cut off completely from most of the major books and were left with only minor books as possible outs? How would you conduct business?

Great Q Oldman. I have a Q for OF now ... if there are books like Pinnacle, CRIS, Grande and others that NEVER booted off anyone, why there is a possibility that you cant continue that business LIFETIME?

Thanks
Concorde

oldmanTED · Mar 28, 2005

Concorde:

Never believe that Pinnacle, Cris, Grande or any other sizeable book have not booted anyone, for they have. If you beat them badly enough, you are asked to politely to take your business elsewhere. End of story.

Concorde · Mar 29, 2005

oldmanTED said:
Concorde:

Never believe that Pinnacle, Cris, Grande or any other sizeable book have not booted anyone, for they have. If you beat them badly enough, you are asked to politely to take your business elsewhere. End of story.

So in that case they should not be considered books that take professional action.

X-Files · Mar 29, 2005

Concorde said:
So in that case they should not be considered books that take professional action.

I have heard that many books/bookies like the action of pros/winners
in that it gives them info they can use to their advantage, info that
may outweighs their loses to said pros. One thing they can do is bet
{with another book} the same sides the pro is betting. Secondly,
they can favorably adjust the line at their own book.

randyrohm · Mar 29, 2005

Om Frog, Had limits cut to aprox $50 (varied to 30's to 50's when I would push limit). Had to leave them. I called twice and talked to managers and said if I could get down a buck I would stay and not bet things they didn't want me to. Both times shot down so I pulled out completely. Good book until your cut. No way for an A+ rating with this policy. Clearly the didn't want to boot me, just make it to where I would leave on my own, which I did.

wanderer · Mar 29, 2005

If they really sent out letters like that anyone that plays there is insane IMO.

X-Files · Mar 29, 2005

randyrohm said:
Om Frog, Had limits cut to aprox $50 (varied to 30's to 50's when I would push limit). Had to leave them. I called twice and talked to managers and said if I could get down a buck I would stay and not bet things they didn't want me to. Both times shot down so I pulled out completely. Good book until your cut. No way for an A+ rating with this policy. Clearly the didn't want to boot me, just make it to where I would leave on my own, which I did.

Send me the $ to bet there & i'll make the plays you want
while THE SHRINK holds an equal amount i send him till you
get your money back, assuming you win.

Concorde · Mar 29, 2005

X-Files said:
I have heard that many books/bookies like the action of pros/winners
in that it gives them info they can use to their advantage, info that
may outweighs their loses to said pros. One thing they can do is bet
{with another book} the same sides the pro is betting. Secondly,
they can favorably adjust the line at their own book.

X Files,

What i mean is the following...

Let' assume that a professional player is a player that do that for a living so he makes a CONSISTENT profit so it is the like the owner of a restaurant that live from his restaurant and makes a consistent money from that or the owner of a computer shop that lives from his shop and makes a consistent money form his shop etc.

This means for me that if ANY book booted off any professional player, you cant say ( for me, it is a my idea ) that this book takes professional action because it means that the book have make you impossibile to be a professional player. I am trying to explain it as best as possibile because i know that my english is not easy to understand.

What i mean is that you will have to say that you can do a profession but only for a limited time of your life because after a certain period of time you will not be able to continue that even if you want and can continue that.

This for me is not a profession. I would call it a limited time profession. On this case, other than limits, i will not say that the difference between VIP sport and Pinnacle is that VIP booted you off after two months and Pinny never but that THEY BOTH BOOTED YOU OFF WITH THE DIFFERENCVE THAT VIP WILL DO THAT AFTER TWO MONTHS AND PINNY AFTER 3 YEARS SO FOR ME THAT IS NOT A PROFESSION.

Obviously if the "booting off" reasons are others ( but wath others reasons could exist? ), that is another story.

This does not involve me because i was never and will never be a so called professional player ( or even a decent player! ) but i am curiose to know that story.

Difficult to explain.

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