Do not believe so, no way.
However, PINNACLE has and is definetly a thorn in the side to many books, many of which are hurting financially or have closed up shop in the past.
But for the shops that have strong management, which are many, those shops will continue to do just fine.
This is not to say Pinnacle does not have some effect on their bottom line, but no way Pinnacle could run them out of business.
Actually in some cases, Pinnacle probably contributes in a books bottom line in a few different ways.
I might add, as good as Pinnacle is, there are tons of shops that offer things that are much better than Pinnacle or actually offer something that Pinnacle does not even have.
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However, PINNACLE has and is definetly a thorn in the side to many books, many of which are hurting financially or have closed up shop in the past.
But for the shops that have strong management, which are many, those shops will continue to do just fine.
This is not to say Pinnacle does not have some effect on their bottom line, but no way Pinnacle could run them out of business.
Actually in some cases, Pinnacle probably contributes in a books bottom line in a few different ways.
I might add, as good as Pinnacle is, there are tons of shops that offer things that are much better than Pinnacle or actually offer something that Pinnacle does not even have.
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I think Pinnacle is already doing its best to acquire as much market share as they can get, so there's no issue of "if they wanted to".
The model CAN be emulated, but it can't just be taken off the shelf. You need a dedicated staff with high cranial horsepower to maintain it -- a requirement beyond the effective reach of 95+% of books.
The model CAN be emulated, but it can't just be taken off the shelf. You need a dedicated staff with high cranial horsepower to maintain it -- a requirement beyond the effective reach of 95+% of books.
I guess my question is: what would happen if Pinnacle were to consistently reduce their handle, if they were to lower the juice even further?
How would the rest of the industry react then? Would it be open war against the machine?
These days, all you need is a Pinnacle account and a bankroll readily available to be sent via Neteller and you're almost guaranteed to middle numbers and scalp the straddles. It's easy to slam soft numbers by square shops, that's probably why more and more shops are following the model where they only cater to small and recreational bettors. As recently as 4 years ago, this would have been considered obscene... to take all losers and no winners...
And if you're sharp enough to win everywhere else and lose to Pinnacle, all you have to do is ask for a book2book transfer and you're back in the game. Who pays? Not hard to see... some pockets are being dipped on deep, hard core... This would be the reason why it's on Pinnacle's best interest to have other shops around as long as possible...
I was talking to a Sniper recently, a player I respect a lot and his comments on the subject are conclusive and I'd like to quote him out of respect:
"... if I hadn't already lost so much to pinnacle I woudln't respect their lines so much, but sometimes you have to cut them in for a while to figure out the whole thing. Who knows, but for baseball tough not to respect their lines above almost everything else, especially after the lines have been bet in the morning session..."
That's Zeitgeist. Pinnacle is -simply put- the Walmart of the online gaming industry... what follows is just product of their evolution as a business model.
How would the rest of the industry react then? Would it be open war against the machine?
These days, all you need is a Pinnacle account and a bankroll readily available to be sent via Neteller and you're almost guaranteed to middle numbers and scalp the straddles. It's easy to slam soft numbers by square shops, that's probably why more and more shops are following the model where they only cater to small and recreational bettors. As recently as 4 years ago, this would have been considered obscene... to take all losers and no winners...
And if you're sharp enough to win everywhere else and lose to Pinnacle, all you have to do is ask for a book2book transfer and you're back in the game. Who pays? Not hard to see... some pockets are being dipped on deep, hard core... This would be the reason why it's on Pinnacle's best interest to have other shops around as long as possible...
I was talking to a Sniper recently, a player I respect a lot and his comments on the subject are conclusive and I'd like to quote him out of respect:
"... if I hadn't already lost so much to pinnacle I woudln't respect their lines so much, but sometimes you have to cut them in for a while to figure out the whole thing. Who knows, but for baseball tough not to respect their lines above almost everything else, especially after the lines have been bet in the morning session..."
That's Zeitgeist. Pinnacle is -simply put- the Walmart of the online gaming industry... what follows is just product of their evolution as a business model.
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no way
too many books with gimmicks like cute girls on the home page
and we might be past the majority phasing of paper books to offshore books, but too many people still feel the need to have an 800 number
you can have all the low juice, betting options and quick payments you want. but if the competition is offering things that you don,t you cant capture that market share simply becuase you dont have a foot there
if the 'model' dont got it all, she cant get all the boys
too many books with gimmicks like cute girls on the home page
and we might be past the majority phasing of paper books to offshore books, but too many people still feel the need to have an 800 number
you can have all the low juice, betting options and quick payments you want. but if the competition is offering things that you don,t you cant capture that market share simply becuase you dont have a foot there
if the 'model' dont got it all, she cant get all the boys
It is funny many book owners do not like that I have a good relationship with the guys behind Pinnacle. They always ask me things like...
"Why is XXXXX giving the shop away when he doesn't have to"
"What the fvck is their problem over there"
"Why undercut the whole market"
"How can they make any money"
A book owner the other day told me...
"There is no way they make any money taking bets"
Four different books now do not do transfers with Pinny that used to. My opinion is that it hurts the books that do not do the transfers more then Pinny.
BTW, It is baseball season, the season that Pinny makes more money then any other sport.
"Why is XXXXX giving the shop away when he doesn't have to"
"What the fvck is their problem over there"
"Why undercut the whole market"
"How can they make any money"
A book owner the other day told me...
"There is no way they make any money taking bets"
Four different books now do not do transfers with Pinny that used to. My opinion is that it hurts the books that do not do the transfers more then Pinny.
BTW, It is baseball season, the season that Pinny makes more money then any other sport.
Fish;
I think we won't see those for too long anymore, which probably means Neteller will continue to juice players handsomely. The convenience of the service provided by NT is unmatched to the date...
NT has kicked some serious ass on their field of action and they're expanding; they have recently walked into the Chinese market... when they purchased the firm behind 1Pay, the leading Chinese payment processor, for US$12.5m in a hugely important strategic move.
If I knew any better, I'd be grabbing as many shares on LSE: NLR as I possibly could...
Next step... their own bank... with land-based agencies all around the globe.
Did anybody ever wonder why Pinnacle gets 'preferential' treatment from NT... look no further than 'volume'... a match made in heaven...
I think we won't see those for too long anymore, which probably means Neteller will continue to juice players handsomely. The convenience of the service provided by NT is unmatched to the date...
NT has kicked some serious ass on their field of action and they're expanding; they have recently walked into the Chinese market... when they purchased the firm behind 1Pay, the leading Chinese payment processor, for US$12.5m in a hugely important strategic move.
If I knew any better, I'd be grabbing as many shares on LSE: NLR as I possibly could...
Next step... their own bank... with land-based agencies all around the globe.
Did anybody ever wonder why Pinnacle gets 'preferential' treatment from NT... look no further than 'volume'... a match made in heaven...
It will never happen, Pinny also has the model of betting out and also getting onto certain sides, although they are a lay 05 model, many times the side I want to play is -111, -112, -113, etc.... Many times much higher then the -110 I can lay anywhere else, those are the times Pinny does not get my bet and for that reason they will never eliminate the competion. Other areas Pinny is lacking is Htimes, last one up and 1st one down, also they take games offline when steam hits instead of moving the line, often times a line is down for up to 5 mins which is an enternity in this business. They also have 500 limits on NBA 1st Halfs. These are not knocks againsts Pinny, just reasons why they could never put the competition out of bizness.
I dont think its noway possible for it to ever happen. I dont think Pinnacle would want to be the only one standing either. for example say it really happened and Pinnacle was the only book in the Industry. how long do you think they would stay in business being the only Offshore book in the industry.
